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Current Law Students / Re: 1L Summer
« on: July 22, 2004, 09:49:47 AM »
Just curious... what school do you have in miond?  I think (personally) if you can make it happen financially then you should di it.  What stage of the law school game are you in?  Are you applying, or are you starting soon?  B/c you might have some time to ponder this, and talk to some people at your school that have participated in the program.

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Current Law Students / Re: 1L Summer
« on: July 21, 2004, 04:23:31 PM »
Some people say that studying abroad is an "immature" thing.  By the time you've decided to go to law school, and you finish your 1L year, you should be thinking more professionally than about "studying abroad."  You should be making career contacts, and showing the world (or at least, an employer), what you can do in the legal profession.  The school year is for studying, and the summers are for making connections that help to put you in the employed column upon graduation. This is just what I know from other upperclassmen and a very small sample of attorneys in my area.  It doesn't mean that I agree with the response.  However, if you are playing with this idea that much, I don't see why it is a problem.(You have gone back to a post from a week ago - you are obviously giving this some thought).  If you want to do it, then do it.  Life does not always fit into nice neat little boxes; I wouldn't worry much about how it "affects your future" if you know in your heart that it is something that you want to do. 

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Current Law Students / Re: anyone working during full time program
« on: July 15, 2004, 09:02:01 AM »
I am not working during 1L.  Though some people may have to, I talked to the dean at my school and he said that youshould concentrate on law during the first year.  So I put in my 4 weeks notice at my current part time job - since it was on campus, I was hoping to keep it at first, but since I never have any downtime at work, I decided to quit.  Besides, I also think that the future earning potential and the importance of 1L grades - and the bar exam (in many states, the bar exam has a substantial chunk devoted to 1L material) is more critical than anything you could earn during the school year.

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Current Law Students / Re: 1L Summer
« on: July 13, 2004, 12:29:06 PM »
I know some upperclassmen at my school who studied abroad for the first half of the summer, and came back to work for a law firm.  So, if you play your cards right, maybe you could do that.

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Current Law Students / Re: Good GPA, Decent LSAT
« on: July 13, 2004, 12:26:28 PM »
I was in a similar situation.  For you, UT may not be a stretch, depending on what they feel like on the day they read your application - especially if you are a Texas resident.  My advice to you would be to keep the 153 - your high GPA may very well put you in at SMU . .  . that's what got me in - I had a 3.9, and my LSAT was lower than yours. Baylor is the one that might be a stretch, because they put great emphasis on the LSAT.  The extracurriculars may help a bit, but I'm not sure.  My best advice for SMU is to apply early - I did, and I was pleasantly surprised - both with my admissions status and financial aid offer.  Apply early!!!  And good luck.

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Current Law Students / Re: some basics
« on: July 10, 2004, 02:35:28 PM »
I think ASU girl was totally rude.  However, you should do some more research.  Law school is a big decision.  You should not enter into it lightly.  I think that eee gave you a good snapshot of what you should be thinking about, but you need to speak to some advisors or do some research.  I never saw the prelaw adviser at my school and I made it to law school - so if this is something you really want to do, it can be done.  But you do need some initiative, and more information.  Best of luck to you.

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Not really true.  Most public interest orgs will not hire you until you have a barcard.  They really have little, if any, use for you until you do.

Everything is not about prestige. Your public interest clients could care less what law school you went to, or what fellowship you got.  They want to know if you can help them. Same with a lot of hiring managers.
     
I had three interviews with public interest orgs, including the one that I'm working with now--and another organization that is nationally known.   No one cared about my grades.  They wanted to know what practical experience I had that equipped me to handle the position. Real hands on, trial simulation, clinicals--all things you can be exposed to in any quality law school--even one with only a "regional" reputation. Most of the people that work in my office graduated from the law school in the same city-- and it is not a tier 1 school.     

Public interest orgs normally hire on an as needed basis.  Good grades and experience are not a guarantee for a PI job before or even after graduation--even with the ACLU or other "more prestigious" organizations. They don't even really make it more likely.  PI jobs aren't like firms--most of them are not going to hold a place for you until you take and pass the bar.  They have too many people that need to be helped--and, too many people that have already passed the bar and are willing to help.   

 

Right. I'm just trying to say your grades and your school matter in what kind of public interest jobs you can get and when you can get them.  Better school and better grades (all other things equal, such as internships) make it a lot more likely you will be able to get a more prestigious impact-litigation job at ACLU or Public Citizen. 

If you're into legal services, top credentials that get you those fellowships also mean that you can get that legal services job in November or December instead of late spring of 3L year or after the bar.

While it's true that in regular hiring for legal services or public defender jobs, school doesn't matter as much as a big law firm or public interest fellowships, but it still matters.

True--but lots of people get into public interest without it.  Its not a bar to entry like biglaw. Some people aren't necessarily looking for "prestige." The people who stay in it --its really more about the heart.

On the other hands, grades and top school matter a lot for public interest fellowships (EJW, Skadden)

Not nearly as much.  In fact, I would say that after you pass the bar, it matters very little, especially if you have great clinical /practical experience. With some of the government type orgs, like the ACLU, they might care about class rank and school, but others, not as much. 

How big a deal does your school factor into your ability to get PI jobs?

(the old rank vs. $$$ debate, but for people planing on PI).

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True--but lots of people get into public interest without it.  Its not a bar to entry like biglaw. Some people aren't necessarily looking for "prestige." The people who stay in it --its really more about the heart.

On the other hands, grades and top school matter a lot for public interest fellowships (EJW, Skadden)

Not nearly as much.  In fact, I would say that after you pass the bar, it matters very little, especially if you have great clinical /practical experience. With some of the government type orgs, like the ACLU, they might care about class rank and school, but others, not as much. 

How big a deal does your school factor into your ability to get PI jobs?

(the old rank vs. $$$ debate, but for people planing on PI).

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Not nearly as much.  In fact, I would say that after you pass the bar, it matters very little, especially if you have great clinical /practical experience. With some of the government type orgs, like the ACLU, they might care about class rank and school, but others, not as much. 

How big a deal does your school factor into your ability to get PI jobs?

(the old rank vs. $$$ debate, but for people planing on PI).

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Black Law Students / Re: Memoirs of a Bar Examinee
« on: April 07, 2008, 05:35:37 PM »
Agreed.

My study partner was CRUCIAL to my passing the bar.  We talked over topics all the time.  I found you need to bounce ideas off of somebody every now and again. Not all the time but every now and again you just need a quick answer to something so you can move on with life.

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