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Current Law Students / Re: Best Professor Lines This Year
« on: October 25, 2005, 04:00:52 PM »
"Just answer this in terms of logic, we'll discuss it in terms of the law in a minute" 

It's possible, but I'd do simply work like wills or traffic. Also, a decent way to get exposure is to be a public defender while getting your practice started.  The biggest problem is $$$$$, you won't make anything the first few years (ok maybe $20-30k).

E-mail yourself. This saved me once. Even if you lose all your hardware the files are still on the net & and what are the chances of Yahoo or Google going down any time soon?

Current Law Students / Re: I hate the Socratic Method
« on: October 07, 2005, 01:22:43 PM »
I totally agree with you.  They should teach us the black letter law too instead of this discussions... listening to students who don't know what they are talking about try to act smart.  I want to hear what the professor has to say to know that what I'm hearing is actually correct.

The problem with teaching the "black letter law" is that it changes and it's impossible to teach all of it. Sure you must know it for the exam (which is all that matters to us students), but when you get to be a lawyer you must know how to find the black letter law on your own. At least you don't have to find the cases and statutes that make up the black letter law. In the real world it takes hours just to determine what cases and statutes need to be analyzed for a given question of law, frankly the analysis is simple compared to the research decisions.

And being a witness is minor? Just wait till that corp. lawyer asks you why the hell you screwed up a citation or something and then drops the big ARE a lawyer RIGHT? Hell in court this summer I saw a judge ask a lawyer that...he was mad about her decision and dropped his file...hehe man it was funny but not for him.

Filing is like going to the post office, being a witness, a lawyer witness, is the real deal. Did I mention depositions where they can ask you about your sex life even if it's totally irrelevant? Might not have to answer, but damn.

Sorry to say this, but if you practice law, you may have to go to court. If you draft a document and it's disputed you're the witness.

Current Law Students / Re: I hate the Socratic Method
« on: October 05, 2005, 06:59:25 PM »
Done correctly it teaches you to think on your feet, done poorly, well I think you've experienced that.

Remember you're supposed to know the material cold (like I've ever done that..), but think of it this way if you go to court and the judge asks you where & when a case you cited was decided you'd better not have to look it up.

I understand that type of teaching for my other classes, which works fine, but for legal writing? None of my friends in other sections have teachers using the socratic method to teach writing and research. 

True, which means unless you're very lucky in LR you're just screwed like the rest of us.

Don't expect much from your prof's, in law school your expected to learn on your own. If you get a prof who actually teaches you count yourself lucky. The socratic method is a motivator to learn, and think on your feet, not to teach you the material.

Current Law Students / Re: 1L Summer Clerkship
« on: October 03, 2005, 10:34:40 AM »
All the the resume considerations aside, I found working as a summer law clerk very enlightening. Frankly, I learned a lot and do not care about the resume so much. It didn't hurt that my school gave me a generous stipend to work at a public agency. :)

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