As far as scholarship money goes, I'm pretty sure that the t14 schools could care less how much money he is getting at W&M (not to pick on them, just one i remembered from his list). Therefore, the money game really helps only with other peer schools at the top.
I'm not just talking about the T14. His money at W&M could help at a school like BU or wherever.
I think saying: "The people who say 6-8 are wrong, just wrong, completely wrong." is a little over the top.
Haha, I agree. I do think 6-8 is probably too few, but my passionate rhetoric wasn't meant to be taken seriously.
Each application is around $80 after LSDAS fees. $80 might not be a lot of money for you, but it is for some people. I just don't see the point in applying to more than one or two safeties. In general, I don't think applying to 14 is too many (obviously, look at my LSN), but for this situation it probably isn't needed. I was suggesting that Tetris take some time and REALLY think about going to some of the schools he is intending on applying and considering if he were to actually go there if accepted.
Just for the record $80 was a lot of money for me. I paid my own way through college. I spent about $2500 on the whole law school application process (app fees, visits, etc.) and as a college student with only a part time job, it took me a while to pay off the credit card debt...just didn't want it to seem like I'm some rich kid pretending money isn't a big deal. But anyway, that was certainly the best $2500 I ever spent. First of all, I probably got my money's worth just in free alcohol at ASWs. Second, visiting lots of schools was helpful. Third, I believe that Tetris, like me last year, is going into his senior year at college. For other people who took some time off, they probably have an easier time narrowing schools down. For a lot of people like me coming straight from UG, we really have no limitations in terms of geography, wife and kids, etc., and we're usually less sure of our long term plans so it makes more sense to apply to a wide range of schools. After getting his LSAT score, Tetris is probably just now starting to think seriously about which schools he might go to. If I were him, I'd prefer to apply to a lot of schools, and have a year to think about where to go, rather than take a couple months to try to narrow down which schools to apply to (while studying for a retake - I think he should be spending all of his time studying for the LSAT and maybe beginning to get together some thoughts on his PS, instead of spending serious time narrowing down his school choices, or spending time on this site for that matter). Fourth, most people told me I didn't need to apply any lower than T10. They were right, but applying to a couple extra safeties ended up helping a lot in negotiating. I increased my offer at a lot of schools, but since I can only go to one school, I'll just mention that I got an extra $14,000 at the school I'm going to, which was an indirect result of the money I got at safeties. This might not happen every time, but for me, a couple hundred extra bucks is worth the potential to get several thousand.
But did you find that T14s really considered non-T14s, when it came to scholarship matching? That wasn't my experience. T14s seem pretty limited in their definitions of peer schools.
yea CLS bascially told us that they are a top school and would only consider offers from other top schools
I think you're right about this.
The Dean of Admissions at Penn told me they would consider UVA, MICH, and the top 5.
Pretty snooty for a school that was ranked 12 not long ago.
I can understand schools not *matching* a lower-ranked school's offer, but if that lower-ranked school is offering a full-ride, that would seem to give you some leverage.
Haha yeah I know. But like deedee just said, Penn admissions/financial aid were extremely nice, understanding, easy to work with, etc., as opposed to schools like NYU. And who knows, they may have kinda considered Cornell and NW, even if they said they wouldn't.