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Incoming 1Ls / Re: UPenn Class of 2011
« on: August 22, 2008, 07:14:24 PM »
I should probably throw in the same Q for the unrepresented section here!  We've got:

Wolff for Civ Pro
Perry for Torts
Somin (visiting) for Property
Madison or Katz (our half-section class) for Contracts
Robinson for Crim
Goodman for Con Law

Ooh, another scheduling question!  Our schedules list both the large legal writing lecture and our small group LRW classes, each having 1h15min blocks twice a week.  I thought I read something about some variance in the format each week... am I imagining this (ie. we should expect to have each lecture 2x/week), or does it indeed vary weekly?

Man, you lucked out with that schedule.  Awesome profs all around.  Wolff is great.  People either love or hate perry- he's a philosophy guy, so his torts class can stray a bit, from what i've heard, into philosophical areas.  Somin is famous from the Volokh conspiracy blog.  Madison, as was said above, is amazing.  Goodman is hard, but one of those profs everyone should take once.  Robinson elicits VERY strong feelings of either love or hate - but if he's the worst you have, then you've done extremely well for yourself professor-wise :)

Incoming 1Ls / Re: UPenn Class of 2011
« on: August 21, 2008, 04:45:25 AM »
1)  You aren't going to be happy with my answer, but buy everything new (or if you are lucky enough to find one, a used copy that doesn't have any highlighting in it).  You cannot, cannot, cannot get by with going to the library and copying cases.  Not only would you end up paying to copy 90% of the book, but it would also waste the precious free time you have 1L year.  Every night you will have 20-40 pages of reading per class, which works out to about 3-6 cases per night that you need to master for the next day's class.  Until you know what you are doing (read: November), you will probably want to color-code highlight the important details of each case for when you get called on.  Most people, myself included, will use the system from Law School Confidential, which involves highlighting the holding in pink, the important parts of the dissent in orange, the facts in green, cited precedent/cases in blue, and the legal reasoning in yellow.  I found it worked very well for me and helped prevent me from freaking out when cold-called.

2)  The book sale is basically only for supplements (every once in awhile you'll get a text, but rarely in good condition).  I would go to the bookstore ASAP and buy your books.  The undergrads start to come back to campus on Sunday, and when they come back the bookstore becomes an absolute zoo.  Beat the rush if you can.

3)  You need the latest edition in every class.  Occasionally you can find an older edition that will work just as well with the exception of a few new cases, but you don't want to find out that half of the cases have moved around and spend extra time trying to key your book to the syllabus.

4)  I swear by the Examples and Explanations series for all my classes.  I don't learn very well from the Emmanuel/Gilbert type of supplement, but everyone is different.  A universal truth, however, is that Glannon's Examples and Explanations book for Civ Pro is the best survival tool for that class, period.  It is a must-buy.

Incoming 1Ls / Re: UPenn Class of 2011
« on: August 12, 2008, 04:23:09 PM »
but other than that, philly is totally safe, lol

Incoming 1Ls / Re: UPenn Class of 2011
« on: August 10, 2008, 01:33:46 PM »
Odd- it told us our section number at the bottom of our transcript around this time last year.  oh well, you'll find out in only 2 short weeks at orientation :) 

Incoming 1Ls / Re: UPenn Class of 2011
« on: August 09, 2008, 06:51:08 AM »
2L and 3L class schedules were released yesterday on Penn In Touch and the Course Portal.

I think last year the easiest and earliest way to find out 1L schedules was to determine your section number from Penn In Touch (maybe under the transcript or student schedule tab) or the Course Portal and then match up your section number with the fall block schedule on the Registrar's site.

I remember buying my books before our schedules even officially came out by doing it this way.  If I remember correctly, someone even put together a spreadsheet by section of what books you would need, including their ISBN numbers for buying them on amazon etc.  Very handy, that was.

Incoming 1Ls / Re: UPenn Class of 2011
« on: July 30, 2008, 08:12:58 PM »
m1 - Does your daily billiards habit count as an EC?  ;)

It finally made it on my resume as an interest of mine :P

Incoming 1Ls / Re: UPenn Class of 2011
« on: July 30, 2008, 03:30:58 PM »
not a problem :)  glad to be of help!

Incoming 1Ls / Re: UPenn Class of 2011
« on: July 29, 2008, 05:48:00 PM »
Re: student groups - there is a student group fair during orientation, and then a student group signup day sometime early in the first few weeks of school.  I know a lot of people who got somewhat seriously involved in student groups early on.  I held off and didn't get heavily involved in much of anything to focus on my studies.  I was a part of the Penn law Ultimate Frisbee team and I volunteered for the Admissions Office helping take students around to classes and such, but I did not partake in a serious EC time commitment.  Having the extra time helped me be prepared for class and, in part, helped me be successful in my 1L year.  TONS of people balance ECs + school and do just fine though- its based on your own ability to juggle such things

Incoming 1Ls / Re: UPenn Class of 2011
« on: July 29, 2008, 05:39:30 PM »
1L jobs - almost everyone i know got a job this summer, but because of the economy, only a few of them have firm jobs.  If you really want a firm job you can get one, but it may be in a small market.  Having a science degree could help, because of the IP/patent uses, but it comes in handy (and makes you more in demand) more during 2L OCI.

I'm working for a federal district judge this summer.  I sent out approx. 100 resumes and cover letters to my hometown market and to the city I went to school in, and got 3 interviews.  However, I got 2 offers out of 3 interviews, and the third one I didn't wait to hear back from before accepting my current job.

Don't worry about jobs though, worry about getting good grades first semester.  I sent out my cover letters on the first day we were allowed to do so.  If you can spare the time, I'd recommend doing that.  I think it genuinely helps to be one of the first letters cross the desk in some of these judge's chambers.

Incoming 1Ls / Re: UPenn Class of 2011
« on: July 28, 2008, 06:49:32 PM »
Thanks for the info!  That sounds awesome.  I already have about 8,000,000 things that I would ask Penn 2Ls if I could, so I imagine we'll all appreciate having the support through the year.  I love Penn already.

ask away :)

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