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They could easily resolve this issue by having all tests be open book. Let me rephrase that... they could easily resolve their concerns about cheating, not the lack of moral standards displayed by some of their students. By offering open book tests, it would eliminate any concern about people going into the bathroom to check their outline... and because they'd still be graded in comparison to each other, you'd wind up with a more accurate assessment of the student's ability to identify issues, analyze the facts, and apply the law, rather than having its first focus on sheer memorization.

PS: Plus, it would allow people to use the facilities for their intended purpose, rather than threatening to wet a proctor's leg. ;)

Current Law Students / Re: Kicking Myself
« on: May 13, 2009, 10:01:59 AM »
In light of my mistake and also my frequent contribution, does anyone think it might be a good idea to get in touch with the professor and explain to her what I did wrong, that I am not a total dunce when it comes to this material, that I am not deserving of a D or F? What do you guys think?

No. Nope. Don't do it. XXX. This isn't undergrad where teachers can listen to excuses and can hand out sympathy grade bumps with little/no restriction. This is law school... where grades are anonymous and based off of 1 test at the end of the semester. Further, there's a really good reason why a teacher WON'T want to even begin to hear an excuse or explanation... if they open the door one time, it becomes an open invitation for every student to come in and try to explain why they shouldn't get 'X' grade. In a system that works on a hard curve, it doesn't matter WHY you answered the way you did, only that you DID answer the way you did. Are they to listen to your excuse and bump your grade... maybe requiring the teacher to now lower someone else's grade to accommodate the slight change in the class grade average? No, not going to happen.
Plus, it's a life lesson... when the jury comes back with a verdict against your client, are you going to try to explain to the judge that you meant to introduce 'X' exhibit but you accidentally introduced 'Y'? Silly analogy, but it's the same results... you live with what you got and try to avoid making the same mistake in the future.

Current Law Students / Re: SCOTUS on Testimonial Evidence
« on: May 12, 2009, 09:51:10 PM »
Just took my Evidence final on Wednesday, but I missed this case so here's a tag to follow up on after finals are done...

Am I misreading your comment or did you indicate that you're retaking the LSAT in October to improve your chances at transferring? If that's accurate, understand that once you're in law school and have actual law school grades, the LSAT is practically meaningless for transfer purposes (aside from a small handful of the very top schools - I think Yale has a requirement that your LSAT be good enough for initial admission). The LSAT is a predictor of law school succes, whereas actual law school grades are proof of the ability to handle the material. If you think you can do better on the LSAT and get into a better school, don't start at a different law school - or alternatelly, if you're going to start law school, don't waste any time or thought on retaking the LSAT.
As for the grades, are the one year's worth of bad grades an abberation from the rest of your academic transcript? If so, then you may be able to explain that away... especially if you have an attractive LSAT score.

In regards to SJU, it was the right choice for me for several reasons, both logistic and academic. As my sig indicates, I'm a PT student - and as a non-trad that works FT, I had limited choices of which school to attend. Of the factors I considered when examining the various PT programs, I felt SJU's faculty, facilities and extracurricular opportunities (journals, mock trial, clinics, externships, etc...) all weighed in favor of SJU being the right choice for me over Hofstra or Brooklyn. Granted, Brooklyn and Fordham were handicapped by the commute required, but even then I felt more comfortable with SJU's facilities on a regular campus rather than BLS or Fordham's stand-alone presence.
Aside from one class this semster, generally I've enjoyed the classes and the majority of the professors I've had have been top notch - even the few that weren't still weren't 'bad', just not as 'good' as some of the exceptional ones I've had. The facilities are generally well-kept... I'm actually studying in the moot court room right now, the pride & joy of the law school.

Well, back to Family Law and NY's Domestic Relations Law... :-(

Hofstra: Ranks tier 1 as opposed to the previous tier 3 schools

Ranks tier 1? Ranked at 100, Hofstra barely ranks tier 2, and has been bouncing between tier 2 and tier 3 for the past several years. Don't confuse USN&WR's Top 100 with Tier 1...
Now if you want to give the reasoning that Hofstra ranks higher than the other T3 schools, that's more accurate.

Is it that you want to work in NYC or just the NY area? Hofstra is often considered 'the Long Island law school' and has better support in Long Island than it does in NYC. Can't comment on the other 2 schools, but I have a friend @ Hofstra in the top 10% of his class... he's having troubles getting interviews for NYC firms. If you're looking at working in the NY area, Hofstra may do fine, but if you're looking to work in NYC, better plan on being in the top 10%+ to have a decent shot.

If you're really set on working in NYC, have you considered delaying and retaking the LSAT? Is a higher score a possibility for you? If so, that could easily be parlayed into admission into a higher ranked school (one with better NYC placement) or at least some scholarship money.
Good luck,

After posting not once but twice about factors that may suggest BU as the better choice, all I have to say is make up your own mind and don't let anonymous strangers on the internet actually have an impact on such an important decision. Do your own research and weigh the factors for yourself... think of it as your first balancing test (of which you'll run into many regardless of which law school you attend).
Good luck,

I'd imagine that if you tell the proctor you need to urinate and that it's their choice whether you do it in the bathroom or the corner of the exam room, they'll let you go to the bathroom a 2nd time during the exam regardless of the policy.  :o  ;)

I'll second Unbiased Observer's comments about grades & class rank. Everyone goes into law school thinking they've got a good shot at being in the top 10%, and everyone KNOWS that they're going to be in the top 1/2, but the sad truth is that half the people aren't in top 1/2. Everyone in your class will have comparable capabilities and drive to you... that's why they got accepted to the same law schoolyou did. Sure, there will be small differences, and that will be what determines who's at the top and who's in the middle or bottom, but that's nothing that can be counted on, and all it takes is one unforseen bad thing (like a flu a day or two before the test) to throw you off your game.
I've managed to maintain my scholly @ SJU, but until you've walked out of a final exam with no clue whether you even passed (let alone did well), there's no way that you can really understand how unpredictable grades are. With that said, make your decision as if you were only going to have the scholly for 1 year. At BU, the 'good standing' requirement sounds ALOT easier to maintain... perhaps you could get SJU to match that requirement? That seems like the winning play if you can make it...
Good luck,

PS: I've got a host of good things to say about SJU... the faculty, the facilities, the classes and extracurricular opportunities... but I can't give you a frame of reference in comparison to BU - and I don't really have time for this until after finals are over. Damn Constitutional Law... ;-)

The SJU scholly requires you to be top 1/2 to maintain, right? What about the BU scholly? Assume you lose both after the first year... what's the money difference like v the job opportunities? While I don't know anything about BU's placement, a grad from a top 20 law school will have better BIGLaw opportunities than a SJU grad. On the flip side, what's your interest in going to law school? If it's public interest or government (ex: DA's office), you have alot more flexibility when you don't have to pay off law school debt. When it comes to non-BIGLaw, I'd give the advantage to SJU's local connections to various government agencies...
Good luck,

Just re-read your OP... today's your decision day, right? What's your choice?

I called Seton Hall and they agreed to push back my decision deadline to May 15th so that bought me some more time.  The impression I'm getting from a lot of people is that neither is a good school and I should just go to FSU and save the money.  I would appreciate as much feedback as possible in the meantime. Thanks for the replies.

All depends what you mean by 'good school'. If you mean likely to land a BIGLaw job, then you're right... you want to go to a T-14 school if you want better than 50/50 odds of BIGLaw. Outside the T-14, your chances significantly drop off.
The money difference is huge between FSU and SH or SJU, so if you don't have a desire to practice law in the NY area, then save the money and be happy in Florida. But don't make the mistake of listening to a bunch of know-it-all 0L's anonymously posting on a message board about which schools are good and which aren't, especially when you don't know what sort of law you want to practice. ALl you'll get from them is broad comments about how a school is good or bad at placing in BIGLaw, which is something outside the reach of MOST law students, school-be-damned.
Good luck with whatever choice you make... and I'd still say follow the money if you don't have any other concrete ideas about a legal career (field or location), whether that money is lower tuition or higher scholly.

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