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Current Law Students / Re: What is an LL.M?
« on: August 23, 2009, 09:50:00 PM »
There are certain complicated fields where an LLM would be of use to U.S. attorneys... St. John's offers an LLM in Bankruptcy for those interested in that field, Temple has an LLM in Trial Advocacy. I'm sure there are others, but the point is that they are a clear specialization that is unnecessary for the vast majority of lawyers.

Current Law Students / Re: Class Scheduling
« on: August 18, 2009, 09:23:31 AM »
In general, practical skill-based classes are always more valued than purely academic ones... legal writing & research, drafting courses, mock trial/trial advocacy, appellate advocacy... the things that are closer to the actual practice of law.

Which GPA's do law schools report to USN&WR - the ones they use for their decision or the student's final undergrad GPA? If it's the latter, then I can imagine them dinging someone if their GPA plummets and it's a very competitive school...

The LSAT is a thoroughly learnable exam... you'll get alot more out of your efforts if you took the time you would spend on some paralegal training and instead applied it to raising your LSAT score. When it comes down to it, LSAT and GPA are king and queen... and while GPA trails LSAT by a bit in significance, the value of any soft factors (such as being a certified paralegal) is even less important.
Good luck...

recent grad here (top 20 school, top 6%).  Read the assigned reading and just the assigned reading.  It is assigned for a reason.  Professors only test on what they teach you, there is no point to absorb more.  dont waste time taking notes from the book, just listen in class, take notes in class, and outline from that.  Dont waste any time with outside material.  It is a waste of time and a waste of money.


If there's a particular subject that's confusing, then certainly supplements can be used to help explain the problematic issue, but that's only for discrete, specific matters. Generally I've found the Aspen and Foundation Press casebooks to be pretty well organized with sufficient explanation and narrative between the case excerpts to make the relevant points clear.
Of course, I have found the "Understanding" series by Lexis to be pretty helpful for both Criminal Law and Criminal Procedure...

If you already have problems with depression, you might really want to give a second thought to going to law school... the legal profession has the second highest rate of depression and alcohol/substance abuse problems, right behind the adult entertainment industry. And that's generally for people that didn't have any problems before going to law school...

To clarify, you were dismissed from law school at the age of 20 or dismissed from undergrad at the age of 20? Also, skip the red font...

Incoming 1Ls / Re: schedule and missing class
« on: August 07, 2009, 06:01:04 AM »
If I'm not mistaken, the ABA has a requirement for approved law schools about how many hours a student must be in class. I know at my school you're allowd to miss 1 hour of lecture for every credit the class is worth... so generally, you can miss 2 class sessions. Exceeding this can be groudns for being denied the opportunity to take the final exam, although I've never heard about that actually being applied or enforced. Some teachers took attendance each day by sign-in sheet, others did it by observation and seating chart, and yet others couldn't care less.
The real impact is on what you miss by not being there. Sometimes things will be discussed in class that aren't in the reading assignments - 1 of my 4 Torts I essays was literally a restatement of a case the teacher talked about on the 2nd-to-last day of class. It wasn't in any of the assigned readings, nor was the case name actually given to us... but he laid it out plain and clear and explained the reasoning behind it. For those of us in class paying attention that day, it was an easy question - but if you weren't there that day and didn't get good notes from someone else, it would have been a nightmare.
Missing class here and there when it's unavoidable happens... but as long as you're only talking about missing a minimal amount and as long as you're diligent in getting the notes and reviewing the material, it's not the end of the world.
Good luck...

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Suggestions
« on: August 06, 2009, 08:01:51 PM »
Thanks for the advice.  I definitely want to be a lawyer.  All things considered, if I can keep a 4.0 these next 3 semesters (it's possible), I can bring my GPA up to a 3.0 on the dot.  That combined with a best case scenario of a 173-176ish LSAT, do I have a shot at T1 schools or in my dreams dare I say a t14?  Be gentle!

A URM with a mid 160's LSAT and a halfway decent GPA-addendum can get ALOT of doors opened. You land a score in the 170 range and can convince the adcom's you're serious about law school and you'll have you choice of top schools and free rides at a host of others...
Good luck...

Incoming 1Ls / Re: Any Part- Time 2L's have advice for a too be PT 1l?
« on: August 05, 2009, 08:25:27 PM »
Actually, that doesn't sounds like that bad of a schedule... 5 nites a week, 10 credits for the semester? At least you'll have time after class to hit the library for a few hours each night to do some reading.
Assuming that I'm correct on the credit count, figure 2-3 hours of study for each hour of class means you'll need to put in 20-30 hours of study-time each week outside of class. Taking 2 hours each evening in the library after class(M-F) gets you 10 hours during the week if you only stay until 9:30. That means you only have to put in 10-20 hours each weekend.
What's a day in the life look like? Well, my experience while working FT 8-5 had me in class 4 nights a week (generally between 6:30 and 10). Reading during lunch gave me 5 hours of study time each week, opening and closing the library on both Sat and Sunday gave me another 22 hours, and then usually one weeknight class would either start late or finish early and give me another 2 hours to read. A day in the life of a PT law student that works FT means not having time for anything outside of work/class/study/sleep... and the sleep part tends to get crunched a bit. It also means that some of the people you're competing against for grades may (will) have a time advantage because they work less hours (or don't work at all). That's where you're really going to see the toughest competition.
The one bright spot is that as time goes by, you get faster at doing the reading, you learn to take shortcuts regarding briefing, and you get better at balancing your time. The work doesn't get any easier, but because you've developed the tools to compensate, the burden isn't as oppressive.
Good luck...

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