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SJU recently changed their scholarship retention rules. Previously, they only required top 1/2 to maintain the scholarship. Now they've implemented a gradated retention policy...

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If a studentís class rank, after each academic
year, places him or her in the upper 40% of the studentís
class, the student will retain 100% of the scholarship. If the
class rank places the student in the upper 55% of his or her
class, the student will retain 75% of the scholarship. If the
class rank places the student in the upper 65% of the class,
the student will retain 55% of the scholarship.

St. Johnís School of Law
Student Handbook 2011-12
Page 33
http://www.stjohns.edu/academics/graduate/law/current/handbook

The BLS site doesn't have the information as readily available. With all other factors being equal, the BLS route sounds like the safer money bet. Having visited both schools before applying, I can assure you that all factors are NOT equal between the two. If you have a preference for SJU over BLS, then I'd strongly suggest you bring your offer to their attention and see if they'll match it...

Good luck either way...
Rob

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St. John's U Law School / Re: St. John's 2012
« on: June 02, 2012, 01:40:54 PM »
First off, congrats on being accepted to SJU. I thoroughly enjoyed my time there and it was a life-changing experience.

In regards to the first year work load, expect to commit probably about 2-3 hours outside of the classroom for every hour of class. This means that for the 11-12 credits you'll take each semester during the first year, you can expect anywhere from 20-24 to 30-36 hours work briefing cases and outlining. Now this isn't really an even distribution... at the beginning, it'll take longer to digest the information as you get used to reading cases, but as there will be less to outline, consolidate and review, your overall time will be shorter. As the semester goes along, the time demands tend to build. I generally felt that legal writing was a 2 credit class with 20 credits worth of work... that the memorandums of law and the legal research consumed far more time than the credit-hours would indicate. As a caveat, I wasn't always able to stay focused. I often had to find a private room with nothing to distract me to push myself through the material. If a person is able to stay consistently focused and on topic for longer stretches, perhaps they could cut down on the time.

During the first year I opened and closed the law school library both days each weekend. 10 am - 9 pm Sat, 12 pm to 11 pm Sun. This gave me about 22 hours of solid reading/briefing and research/writing. I also was able to catch about an hour worth of reading each day at work during lunch, and once or twice a week I would head up to the library after classes and close that at midnight. 22 weekend hours, 5 lunch hours and a couple miscellaneous hours before/after class usually gave me the time I needed to get it all done.

The only time I held aside for myself was Friday nights... the library closed early on Fridays (9 or 10, iirc), so my wife and I at least had 1 night a week together. Other than that, you can really expect to have no life for that first year. This includes Thanksgiving weekend...aside from few hours on Thanksgiving itself, because it was so close to the end of the semester I found that I had to lock myself away and take advantage of that time to work with my outlines.

Of the 60+ people in my evening class, I would say that only about 1/2 of them had a job at all, and of that 1/2, only half of those worked full time. At the end of the first year, almost half of my class switched into the full time day program. Of course, this was back before law schools had to report their PT numbers, so some people that couldn't get into the FT program would backdoor their way into a school by starting in their PT program.

For those of us that did work FT, I only knew of one person at a law firm... an engineer that was going on to be a patent law attorney. We had a bookkeeper, a couple salesmen, 2 nurses and myself... a blue collar telephone technician. Because my job is technically skilled, but basically brainless and repetitive, I found that I was able to stay sharp and focused during class and on the weekends doing my reading. If my job had required a high degree of 'brainwork', I'm not certain how I would have balanced it.

The workload I've discussed above is for the regular school year. During the final exam period (and generally the last couple days of classes before the finals period starts), I was always out of work and usually opening & closing the school daily. I also had failed to properly consolidate and outline during the semester, so as classes wound down I found myself looking at my unconsolidated class notes and briefs. Law school specifically tells you to start outlining early... and that's advice that I wished I had followed. On the flip side, the act of going through my notes, cutting out the excess and making my outline served as pretty good exam prep... to the point that sometimes, by the time I had my outline put together and finalized, I no longer needed it.

For reference, I was in the top half (top 40%?) of my class both semesters of the first year, with legal writing being the class that brought me down each semester. Without my legal writing grades, I probably would have been top 1/3. Four years later, at graduation I was in the top 30% of the entire graduating class... not law review or cum laude, but better than 70% of my peers.

So are you crazy for going PT while working FT? I was very envious of all the opportunities that FT students had that I had to pass on as a PT student. As time went on, I found ways to get part-time internships, get time off to accept a 10 week fellowship in DC, even participate in a clinic my last year where I represented my own clients in Family court 2x a week for the full year. The workload is manageable if you're committed enough and the opportunities are out there if you're creative enough. Only you know whether you can do it... for me, the question wasn't "Can I go to law school while working FT?", it was... "I have to work - do I want to be a telephone tech or do I want to be a telephone tech and a part-time law student?"

Again, congrats on being accepted. If you have any questions, plese don't hesitate to private msg me... I'm not active on this board any more.
Rob

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Law School Applications / Re: When Taking a Year Off is NOT Beneficial
« on: September 26, 2009, 07:12:29 PM »
A year off spent raising your LSAT score so that you go from Tier 2 to T-14, or gain significant scholly offers, is absolutely worth taking. A year spent playing WoW probably isn't. Just make sure that if you take the time, you use it wisely... and if that means you rethink your decision to pursue law school and ultimately recommit to it or reconsider that path and decide it isn't what you want, either one would be time well spent.
Good luck.

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General Board / Re: Civil Procedure
« on: September 24, 2009, 12:00:14 AM »
If you've put a deposit down for BarBri, then check out their online lecture for Civ Pro. It's about 6 hours long, iirc, and I made a pretty detailed 30+ page outline from it. Earned one of my only two A's in that class and I credit it in part to that BarBri lecture.
Good luck!

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: I had to do it...chances?
« on: September 03, 2009, 10:11:52 PM »
Well now, I do apologize for offering my unsolicited advice in response to your request "I appreciate any insight any of you can give...on any if it". I'm certain that you will have a successful law school admission cycle with your B- GPA and your 63rd %tile LSAT score. As for not needing to go to a great school to get a good job, you're absolutely correct there as well.. and your proven academic success bodes well for your placement options.
Good luck there, champ.

I did not mention the word advice, did I? What do you know about anything, Rob. I have plenty of $ and don't need to go to a great school to get a good job. Thanks for the "advice" though, four-star sr. citizen. Why don't YOU go back and re-take the LSAT, because I am sure whatever score you got could be improved. I mean why not take it a third time to better your odds of getting into a better school with better scholly offers and still a long shot at a spot in the copy room?

Advice? Prep and retake the LSAT in December... a higher score will only increase your options, both at better schools and with better scholly offers.
Good luck...


Ok, well here it is guys. I am hoping to get some input on my chances at the schools I am applying to for next fall. I appreciate any insight any of you can give...on any if it :)
Here is me:
- LSAT: 154
- GPA: 2.82
- Softs: Student body gov., numerous university committees, business chair for largest student-run fair in US,  lots of volunteer work, internship during UG, etc.
- LOR's : three very strong letters; from a professor, an employer of 4 years, and the director of a non-prof. legal aid group I volunteer with.
- Three misdemeanors from highschool days, all over 5 years in the past with not even a trafic ticket since.

The Schools:
- Arizona State U. (PT)
- U. of Denver (PT)
- Thomas Jefferson
- John Marshall (Atl. & Chicago)
- Cleveland State
- Roger Williams
- U. of Toledo
- Creighton
- U. of Akron
- N. Illinois U.
- S. Illinois U.
- Widener
- St. Mary's U.
- South Texas
- Texas Wesleyan


Any school suggestions would be helpful too. Thanks to everybody who chimes in!





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Where should I go next fall? / Re: I had to do it...chances?
« on: September 02, 2009, 07:54:20 PM »
Advice? Prep and retake the LSAT in December... a higher score will only increase your options, both at better schools and with better scholly offers.
Good luck...


Ok, well here it is guys. I am hoping to get some input on my chances at the schools I am applying to for next fall. I appreciate any insight any of you can give...on any if it :)
Here is me:
- LSAT: 154
- GPA: 2.82
- Softs: Student body gov., numerous university committees, business chair for largest student-run fair in US,  lots of volunteer work, internship during UG, etc.
- LOR's : three very strong letters; from a professor, an employer of 4 years, and the director of a non-prof. legal aid group I volunteer with.
- Three misdemeanors from highschool days, all over 5 years in the past with not even a trafic ticket since.

The Schools:
- Arizona State U. (PT)
- U. of Denver (PT)
- Thomas Jefferson
- John Marshall (Atl. & Chicago)
- Cleveland State
- Roger Williams
- U. of Toledo
- Creighton
- U. of Akron
- N. Illinois U.
- S. Illinois U.
- Widener
- St. Mary's U.
- South Texas
- Texas Wesleyan


Any school suggestions would be helpful too. Thanks to everybody who chimes in!





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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Deciding --
« on: September 02, 2009, 07:52:59 PM »
I think that you should go ahead with your plan to not study or prep for the LSAT and simply rely on the natural talents, abilities and work ethic that has served you well for so much of your academic career. I'm sure that you will recieve the LSAT results (and resulting scholarship offers)that you would reasonably expect to get.
Good luck there...  :)

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Studying and Exam Taking / Re: What is the best evidence supplement?
« on: September 02, 2009, 07:30:23 PM »
Here's all you need to ace any Evidence class... know it, love it, live it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEu2O3FGH1E

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Socratic Method / Re: Pass on day 3?
« on: August 31, 2009, 09:16:39 PM »
Don't be so harsh... in fact, you should be thankful for that person. It's not that often that somebody so readily steps up and says "I'll take the low grade that the mandatory curve requires the teacher give to someone." Hell, you should probably buy the person a beer and encourage them to keep up the good work. ;-)

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Studying and Exam Taking / Re: How do I set myself apart?
« on: August 29, 2009, 11:56:26 PM »
While I agree with EarlCat about using the syllabus to give you guidance in forming your outline, I'll buck the grain here and admit that I do all my outlining at the end of the semester... starting about 2 weeks before classes end. I use that time to assemble all the material and form a comprehensive picture of the material covered. The process of building the outline reinforces it all for me in a way that I don't think I'd get if I assembled it going along. It's the act of assembling the outline that really ties all the material together for me.
But that's only what works for me, and many of law students (ranked both higher and lower) preach the 'outline-as-you-go' gospel...
Good luck.

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