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Where should I go next fall? / darned 25%...
« on: November 20, 2006, 01:38:20 PM »
I asked this elsewhere, but thought I'd try this thread.  I am applying to Case, here are the #'s:

ME          CASE
3.71        3.57 (75%)
156         157 (25%)- 161 (75%)

Thank god they take the higher score...I also have 3 years at a law firm, an internship with the public defender's office and a 3.94 degree gpa.
What are my chances?  I'm considering retaking the LSAT.  Yes, I know it's in 2 weeks, but I think if I work my ass off I could do it.

Chances?  Opinions?  Thoughts?

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Law School Applications / Re: Oh boy- what's a girl to do!!!
« on: November 20, 2006, 12:42:29 PM »
The solution to your problem sounds like it lies in your ability to market yourself to Case.  I don't think that you should retake the LSAT now without doing sufficient warm-up prep work.  So, that said, the question becomes how to best position yourself to get accepted to Case.  I think the answer is that you sit down with the admissions folks at Case and lay it all out for them.  If they accept you, you will come, so thus they aren't hurting their selectivity numbers by letting you in.  Plus, your GPA is very good for them.  Finally, you will not be asking for money from them because you have money coming from somewhere else.  Make yourself more attracive to them.

Actually the money is coming from them, the scholarship is through them, the donor was just an alumni from my college so she made them give preference to grads.  Luckily for me no one from my school has gone there in the last like 4 years at least- or even applied I don't think!  I have 3 years experience at a law firm and had an internship with the public defenders office, so hopefully that will help.  I honestly feel I have a good chance.  It basically would just make me feel better having a higher LSAT.  So I guess all I can do is practice as best I can next week.  They're median is a 158/159 so I don't need to be too much higher to give myself a really great shot.  I know that after my failed atempt last year, when I came back to it I did much better.  maybe my mind having the time to process it all will make it feel like second nature.

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Law School Applications / Re: Oh boy- what's a girl to do!!!
« on: November 20, 2006, 12:08:15 PM »
I'm just afraid I won't have the time to study and it would be too much of a risk.  I guess I am mostly wondering if anyone has any thoughts or experiences on getting accepted 1 point under the LSAT 25%?  Even with a gpa above their 75% by quite a bit...  I'm wondering if it's worth it to risk it.  Even though they take the highest, a lower score would look bad. 

I was rejected last year with LSAT at the 25% and GPA well over 75th so I can't offer you any comfort. The problem is that low LSAT is a lot harder to overlook than a low GPA.

If I knew that studing like crazy for two weeks would get me a $50,000 scholarship, I'd go for it. Personally, I would have done a full-length test during the holidays and hire a Powerscore/Testmasters tutor next week to run me through the drills.

I already took a classroom course before the last test, so my money is out!  You do have excellent scores, I'm sorry it didn't work out.  But my schools are not nearly as competetive as your choices!  I wish! lol.  My other choice is still very respected here and would still be much cheaper even with the 50k. 

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Law School Applications / Re: Oh boy- what's a girl to do!!!
« on: November 20, 2006, 12:04:08 PM »
I would study hard and go for it, you can still cancel the LSAT up to 24 hrs before iirc.  If you arn't practicing in the 160s I would just cancel.

I think it is worthwhile to take the time to study over the holiday.  I have to go visit my inlaws on thanksgiving, and I am even making my wife drive so I can study on the way (this is a big deal for me because I am very nervous as a passenger in a car, the result of a near fatal accident).  Plus, studying gives me an excuse to make myself scarce when visiting the inlaws ;)

I wish.  But I'm going alone so no such luck.  Hello 8+ hour drive alone!!!

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Law School Applications / Re: Oh boy- what's a girl to do!!!
« on: November 20, 2006, 12:02:37 PM »
My gpa is fine, above their 75% even.  It will just be hard to study this weekend because I only see my family 2x a year for a couple days since they live in another state.  They moved when I was in high school and I still live here, so it's not like I go home for the summers or anything.  Sure I can crack the books a bit, but it won't nearly be quiet enough and I won't have time to be spending hours on it.  I work full time and go to school and all, so I have very limited time!  And yes, I will be honest my motivation is a bit down because I have a score that will get me into one choice and maybe into this one.  I'm mostly wondering my chances with an LSAT 1 point under that 75%.  If I had such a decent shot already it might not be worth it to go through with the trauma of a retake.

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Reviews, Visits, and Rankings / Re: Tier 3/4 rankings
« on: November 20, 2006, 11:54:10 AM »
I think that once you make the decision to go to t3/t4 you are pretty much saying "ok, I don't care about the stupid rankings", therefore, the discussion is moot.

When selecting a t3/t4 you have to look at the "soft factors", namely location.  I know you have said you don't know where you want to end up, but if you are looking to go to a lower ranked school, I think you need to make some decisions.  If you want to live on in California for example, look for local schools, check out their placement stats, and try to find out as much as possible about their rep in the area. 

I do not think it is a good idea to pick any school just because of rank, but it even worse for a t3/t4 because the ranks are so low that they have no meaning.  You really should try to decide what areas of the country you are interested in living in.  If you don't, you will invariably end up somewhere you don't like.

My top choice is a t3 school, entirely because of location and local reputation.

Excellent points.  A higher ranked school generally has more of a national reputation, it's name is just known more, like everyone knows of Harvard.  So if your looking to work anywhere in the United States, a recognized name will seem better because they have heard of it.  A t3/4 school has more of a local reputation because what would people in Arizona know of a school in Ohio unless the name was thrown in their face by the ranking book?  That's the only way people hear the school names for a big part.  I'm sure the education is very similar, its just name recognition for a big part.  I would just look at where the grads from your choice schools end up working.  Other than that, who cares?  Many of the people on here are high scorers, so just do what you want, don't worry about what they are doing!

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Law School Applications / Re: Oh boy- what's a girl to do!!!
« on: November 20, 2006, 11:47:21 AM »
I'm just afraid I won't have the time to study and it would be too much of a risk.  I guess I am mostly wondering if anyone has any thoughts or experiences on getting accepted 1 point under the LSAT 25%?  Even with a gpa above their 75% by quite a bit...  I'm wondering if it's worth it to risk it.  Even though they take the highest, a lower score would look bad. 

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Is Tier 3 and 4 a waste of money??
« on: November 20, 2006, 11:36:11 AM »
Haha, that was pretty good!  I just think it's ridiculous that some people think that you can't make money outside the t14!  I mean, seriously, how many people do those schools graduate compared to how many attorneys practice?  And Judges, etc.  And I honestly doubt that the t14 grads could fill up every big law firm, I might even doubt all t1 or t2 could do so!  (Just opinion, don't come at me with statistics!  It's retorical people.)  So believe me, I see it everyday, I work at a law firm and people who go to other schools can make a good living!  The courthouse is across the street from me right now and at least 4 of 5 graduated from a t3.  So did our representative to the House. It is possible.

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Law School Applications / Re: Oh boy- what's a girl to do!!!
« on: November 20, 2006, 11:25:24 AM »
Anyone? ???

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Is Tier 3 and 4 a waste of money??
« on: November 20, 2006, 11:19:44 AM »
Hell, i think that if i dont get in a T14 i won't get a decent job.  ;D
You've got to be pretty damn useless then ;) But seriously, sounds like you don't have much experience from the work life, straight-through college guy?
Just speaking from my limited experience (yes i'm straight out of college guy). Personally, i'm gonna work as a manager in a retail store. After about two years i can get promoted to a district manager, and they make 60K a year. That's probably more than many T3/4 schools have to offer. And that's without wasting 3 years, about anywhere from 30-100 K. Dont get me wrong, i'm sure there are lots of happy attorneys that graduate from those schools, but i personally wouldn't risk getting into debt for something like that. I think there are other opportunities that are less risky. But hey, if there are successful T4 lawyers- so much the better for us who will probably go to T1 school.

This is just plain goofy.  First, maybe someone simply wants to become an attorney?  I honestly did not grow up playing dress up saying I want to be a district manager, no offense, but you overlooked that maybe someone simply wants to practice law.  Second, have you even once looked at median salaries for graduates from these schools?  CSU is nearly 70k and it's just not that expensive.  Personally, I am kind of offended because my boyfriends mother is a judge and she went to a t3.  She's making a bit more than 60k!  One thing I've noticed on LSD, many people score highly and that is wonderful, and they are nice and not demeaning or stuck-up and don't treat people like dirt.  Then there are the others...

I'm sorry, but I refuse to believe that because I didn't go to a t14 that I am less of a person.

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