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Choosing the Right Law School / Re: T15 debt payoff timetable
« on: November 16, 2007, 06:34:35 PM »
You can certainly pay off student loans in that period of time, especially if you don't have other types of loans to pay off (generally student loans should be the last thing you pay off). Keep in mind that as remarkable as it seems, you may have a mortage soon after graduating law school that may have a higher interest rate.

Anyway, from what I gather, 120k will be the absolute lowest you're likely to see if you go into private practice from any top 15 (top 20 for that matter) school as long as you stay in a major legal market. It's worth noting that while market rate tends to be relatively similar in any major legal market, the cost of living is way different. 145k in Dallas, for example, gets you a whole heckuva lot more than 145k in Los Angeles.

Play with this: http://www.bestplaces.net/col/

staying on the west coast is a top priority for me. USC is of my choices. have you gotten a sense of what to expect employment wise graduating from USC?

It's hard for me, as a 1L, to really tell, but the median (private) salary is 135k and I think the 25th percentile isn't much lower than that (if it is at all... they gave us this info and I lost it). I gather it's pretty easy to get a good job no matter where you are in the class (USC doesn't rank except to give the 10% GPA).

The harder part is to do something like entertainment law (which is hard to "break" into no matter where you've gone) or to go outside of Southern California. I'll be starting my 1L job search soon, so I'll be able to give people a little bit of the story, but 1L jobs aren't a very good basis for a school's overall success rate.

But in any case, if your priority is to stay on the west coast and get a good job, USC will likely make your dreams come true.


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Choosing the Right Law School / Re: T15 debt payoff timetable
« on: November 16, 2007, 05:33:55 PM »
You can certainly pay off student loans in that period of time, especially if you don't have other types of loans to pay off (generally student loans should be the last thing you pay off). Keep in mind that as remarkable as it seems, you may have a mortage soon after graduating law school that may have a higher interest rate.

Anyway, from what I gather, 120k will be the absolute lowest you're likely to see if you go into private practice from any top 15 (top 20 for that matter) school as long as you stay in a major legal market. It's worth noting that while market rate tends to be relatively similar in any major legal market, the cost of living is way different. 145k in Dallas, for example, gets you a whole heckuva lot more than 145k in Los Angeles.

Play with this: http://www.bestplaces.net/col/

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Incoming 1Ls / Re: What Are You 1Ls Planning To Do Over Winter Break?
« on: November 15, 2007, 07:40:46 PM »
get out of LA and go back home to Dallas, eat, sleep, play computer games, read non-lawschool books.

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Choosing the Right Law School / Re: American WCL 1L Taking Questions
« on: November 15, 2007, 07:29:44 PM »

By your logic, shouldn't Cardozo (16 transfers out), Chicago-Kent (17 transfers out), and Loyola Marymount (13 transfers out) all have transfer numbers that are more similar to those at American? There is obviously something unique to American when 50 students are leaving each year to attend a different school. 

No. I personally (and I think many would agree including USNews) do not hold Chicago-Kent or Loyla Marymount to the same esteem as American. I don't think comparisons can be made between them. American was being compared to USNews peer T1 law schools - Tulane and SMU. Chi-Kent & Loyola Marymount are T2 (maybe not by much but they are). So what you've cited could actually be indicative of the difference in transfer opportunities between the bottm of T1 and the top of T2, not the proximity claim I was trying to point out. Transfering is not only about leaving - it's also about being accepted somewhere worth transfering to. And I would venture to say that Top T1 schools (where most AU students transfer) are more likely to accept transfer students from AU over Chicago-Kent or Loyola Marymount. Who knows maybe 50 students tried to transfer up from those schools and weren't accepted anywhere actually worth transfering to while 50 student from American were.

I hate to burst your bubble, but there is virtually no prestige difference between a school ranked 45 and one ranked 60.

The other half of your argument is pure speculation. What evidence is there that transfers from American have better credentials or better transfer options than those from similarly ranked schools? Moreover, there is nothing to support the idea that a larger percentage of transfer applicants at American ultimately decide to leave. It could just as easily be the case that 200 people try to transfer and only 50 do. In fact, it is far more plausible.

I return to the original point: 50 students transfer out of American, a number unparalleled by any peer school or by schools situated in similar geographic circumstances. No matter the reason why, when over 10% of the class choose to transfer, there is no denying that such a situation is unique.


Please note that you call a theory of his speculation and then make a speculation of your own. Whether or not you think that speculation has more merit, it's still "pure speculation."

My take (which is speculation backed up by a bit of data): GW and Georgetown, the two schools I imagine take the most AU transfers, are large transfer taking schools (33 and 100 respectively). SMU and Tulane only really have Texas as a viable transfer alternative in the area (I get this by looking for a school that significantly outranks another school. There are no other regional law schools that fit that, and certainly no local schools). Texas only takes 14 transfers a year.

Ask yourself this: if UT took tons of transfers and was located in the same city as Tulane, do you really think that transfer rates would be low at Tulane? Certainly some would snub UT, I think, but I wouldn't be surprised if you got similar transfer rates.

Add to this the fact that AU's matriculants were 469 compared to Tulane's 274.

The simple point is this: you meet a lot of good friends your first year of law school. Transfering usually takes you away from those good friends, but if you go to a place like AU, you can transfer to a number of places and still end up keeping those friends, keeping your apartment, keeping everything else in your life the same.  This is no small deal.

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Don't get me wrong. I think high transfer rates probably do indicate something about the student body not being exactly content. I don't believe, in my interactions with WCL students, that they are entirely happy with AU in the way that I've found people at USC happy with my school. But I don't think you can read too much into the stats, and I certainly don't think you can make the argument that AU is overrated because of it.

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Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Do Rhodes Scholars Intimidate You?
« on: November 14, 2007, 06:22:21 PM »
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The Rhodes scholars I've met both here and at Oxford weren't assholes. One was really awkward to the point of making it difficult to carry on a conversation that wasn't about Russian Economics (one of my Oxford tutors), but the rest at least seemed nice. That said, I've never had the (mis)fortune of dating one

Credited. The guy who taught me was really nice and I think his experience of teaching underprivileged kids probably seeped into his cheerleader-like praise.

(Oh God, just looked him up and he's at YLS. Suddenly feel a bit sick.)

Iscoredawaitlist - Where/when were you at Oxford?

Lady Margaret Hall 2005-2006.

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the sooner you can visit the better, probably. Someone visited one of my classes today, and we went over a mock exam we had done the class period before. I'm not sure he quite got much out of that visit. I think he wanted to kill himself.

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Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Do Rhodes Scholars Intimidate You?
« on: November 14, 2007, 09:41:05 AM »
Mmmmm, no. You meet a couple and the bloom comes off the rose. They're just sort-of impressive people with slightly more drive than you. And I have found that they are often the most insufferable sort of a-hole (there is something that makes you apply, after all, and it's usually not desperately wanting to study at Oxford and not having the means to pay for it). Exceptions of course, but three Rhodesies I know of are all jerks. One of them even  half-dumped me freshman year. So do they intimidate me? No. Do they irritate me? Often.


The Rhodes scholars I've met both here and at Oxford weren't assholes. One was really awkward to the point of making it difficult to carry on a conversation that wasn't about Russian Economics (one of my Oxford tutors), but the rest at least seemed nice. That said, I've never had the (mis)fortune of dating one.

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Choosing the Right Law School / Re: American WCL 1L Taking Questions
« on: November 14, 2007, 09:27:00 AM »
Average Indebtedness of students (including grants) at...
Tulane: 99,870
American: 106,758

(according to US News)

New Orleans' cost of living is 31% cheaper than DC's (http://www.bestplaces.net/col/?salary=100000&city1=47900&city2=35380)

So, I guess I dispute that American is overpriced compared to Tulane.

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Choosing the Right Law School / Re: American WCL 1L Taking Questions
« on: November 14, 2007, 12:30:12 AM »
I think your school is overpriced and should give far more scholarships, do you agree?

Also are you sad that your school lags in placement when compared to its private brothers (SMU, Tulane)?

what possible reason could you have for posting this? is AU overpriced? maybe. should it give out more scholarship money? probably. Is he* responsible for either of those things? no, he's not. He's offering to HELP people, and you give him that kind of attitude for exactly which reason?

You gain absolutely nothing from posting this. Nobody gains ANYthing from posting this. The only possible reason I can see for this is that you're programmed to think any time someone mentions WCL, you need to jump on the school.

If he tried to say that WCL gave out lots of scholarship or that it was reasonably priced, then you'd probably have a reason to disagree with him and post that kind of thing. But he hasn't. He's offered to tell what AU/WCL is like, and that can be very helpful to other posters looking at the school.

*I don't know why I'm assuming he's a he and not a she.

PS. I doubt the vast majority of AU students care that they don't place quite as well in DC as SMU and Tulane place in Texas/Louisianna. That's just a guess.

He asked for questions - I am honestly interested in a WCL student's point of view on these issues.  Next time I will be sure to make sure to run my questions past you first.

I won't explain to you why *somebody* will gain *something* from this post, nor can I think of a time that I have "jumped on the school" in the past.

PS. Don't speak for a "vast majority" that you are not a member of - thanks.

Those were "loaded" questions. If you actually wanted to hear his side rather than assert your own you would have asked questions such as:
"Do you think AU is overpriced? Does it bother you they don't give out more scholarship money?" but instead you asserted your opinion and dared him to disagree. Then you asked whether he was "sad" about lagging placement as if his choice of school is the object of your pity.

Anyway, having gone to AU for undergrad as well as dated a current 2L at WCL (and having met many of her friends), I believe I have a reasonable basis for my doubts.

I don't remember you ever really rubbing me the wrong way before, so it's possible/probable you just came across unintentionally rude (electronic forums are prone to do that), but you have to understand why you got the reaction from me that you did. The truth is that if I thought you were a troll, I wouldn't have bothered feed you.

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Choosing the Right Law School / Re: American WCL 1L Taking Questions
« on: November 13, 2007, 09:12:19 PM »
I think your school is overpriced and should give far more scholarships, do you agree?

Also are you sad that your school lags in placement when compared to its private brothers (SMU, Tulane)?

what possible reason could you have for posting this? is AU overpriced? maybe. should it give out more scholarship money? probably. Is he* responsible for either of those things? no, he's not. He's offering to HELP people, and you give him that kind of attitude for exactly which reason?

You gain absolutely nothing from posting this. Nobody gains ANYthing from posting this. The only possible reason I can see for this is that you're programmed to think any time someone mentions WCL, you need to jump on the school.

If he tried to say that WCL gave out lots of scholarship or that it was reasonably priced, then you'd probably have a reason to disagree with him and post that kind of thing. But he hasn't. He's offered to tell what AU/WCL is like, and that can be very helpful to other posters looking at the school.

*I don't know why I'm assuming he's a he and not a she.

PS. I doubt the vast majority of AU students care that they don't place quite as well in DC as SMU and Tulane place in Texas/Louisianna. That's just a guess.

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