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Incoming 1Ls / Re: Couple questions
« on: December 06, 2007, 09:31:18 AM »
Thanks for the first two.

On the last one, it's something I picked up from these boards.  Some talk about professors having to fail "x" amount of students to clean up the roster.  I guess that could be a function of the curve they use (somebody has to fail).  For a true bell curve I dont know how many people that would be.  While I cant imagine being in that group, it might be helpful if there were some numbers out there to look at for each school.

I think most of the top 50 schools don't "make" profs fail anyone. Depending on where the median is, it usually forces a certain number of Cs-As, but Ds and Fs are usually up to the professor to assign. At least that's my impression.

For example, Ohio State (the first school i scrolled to in the BCG guide) lists their curve as 25% As, 50% Bs, 25% Cs, "no more than 4% Ds or Es." At my own school, there's only a 3% chance of getting a 2.6 or lower in a class (thus I think it's roughly discretionary to even give a C+). http://www.bcgsearch.com/pdf/BCG_Law_Schoool_Guide_2007.pdf

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Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Moving away for Law school
« on: December 05, 2007, 09:38:32 PM »
Quote from: iscoredawaitlist on Today at 09:12:33 PM
Quote from: Confused. on Today at 08:55:35 PM
The more I think about it, I really want to move to a different climate.   I've grown up in the midwest, go to school in the midwest, and studied abroad in Scotland.  Hey UCLA, accept me!

Just curious, but why wouldn't you apply to USC?

For some reason I didn't, and now I feel its too late.  I do like UCLA's location better though.

The only other reason I could think of is that I would be betraying my UG school.  Can you guess which one it is?


It's definitely not too late. At least last cycle, USC moved on their applications later than anyone else. I got my acceptance well into March.

I understand the feeling of betraying your UG, but if it makes you feel better, we have 10 more UCLA grads (22 overall) and just one fewer Cal grads (12 overall) than we do USC grads (13 overall) in my class. http://law.usc.edu/admissions/assets/docs/2007profile.pdf

I know quite a few people here who picked USC over UCLA despite the location differences (even UCLA grads). I'm sure at UCLA there are a significant number who picked it over USC, but that there exist such people should be some indication that it's not a hands-down obvious choice which to pick. The people who I talked to who made the choice to come to USC over UCLA did so usually because they found the atmosphere of the law school better, the student services more friendly and better prepared, etc. And as much as this board might try and lead to believe otherwise, career options are pretty much identical.

The location for UCLA is indeed nicer although I haven't spent a whole lot of time in Westwood.

In any case, I'd suggest throwing in USC. You certainly don't have to pick it over UCLA if you get in, but I'm definitely glad I added it to my list. It was an afterthought for me, and it paid off, so that's why I suggest it to everyone else with similar numbers to me and any desire to live on the west coast.

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Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Moving away for Law school
« on: December 05, 2007, 07:12:33 PM »
The more I think about it, I really want to move to a different climate.   I've grown up in the midwest, go to school in the midwest, and studied abroad in Scotland.  Hey UCLA, accept me!

Just curious, but why wouldn't you apply to USC?

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Visits, Admit Days, and Open Houses / Re: Why T14 and not T15?
« on: December 05, 2007, 06:26:21 PM »
the t-14 is the t-14 because all 14 schools have been in the top 10.  no other schools have.  thus, the t-14 is better considered to be the top 10.

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You can make quite a few arguments for "T14" but that's always seemed one of the weakest arguments. The fact that GULC was number 10 in 1993 (and at no other time) hardly seems to make it anything special on its own.

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Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Moving away for Law school
« on: December 05, 2007, 05:57:03 PM »
this poll seems really small. 250 miles ain't nothing. I moved literally 10 times that distance (2,675 from DC to LA according to googlemaps). Hell, Dallas to Houston is about 250 miles.


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Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Big Class Size Vs. Small Class Size
« on: December 04, 2007, 06:52:02 PM »
I like the very small class size of USC (64 in my biggest section), but it's a fairly minor consideration. Class size may indirectly affect things like student services, but if those things are good to go (like I suspect they are at Harvard), it's only kind of a minor preference.

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Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Rank T15-T30 in BigLaw
« on: December 04, 2007, 06:50:44 PM »


1. UCLA=USC=Vandy=UT
2. BC=GWU=BU=UIUC==Fordham
3. Emory=WUSTL=UMinn=ND
4. UMinn=W&L=UWash

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It really depends on your definition of "Biglaw."  The top half of these schools in big cities are going to have a good shot at making somewhere between 125 and 160k.

Some of these schools don't send a ton of their students to the largest firms because of their location... UMinn produces, I'm sure, a ton of great lawyers but there just aren't that many huge firms in the region.  Top grads might jet to Chicago, the top 20% might end up at Faegre or Dorsey, but other than that there just aren't that many huge firms.


Do you really think BC and BU are better than WUSTL and ND?

i wouldn't be surprised. there are actually quite a few Vault100 firms with their largest offices in Boston.

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Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Hastings/Davis Now or USC Later?
« on: December 04, 2007, 09:46:21 AM »
In my experience, USC is one of the latest schools in the game with acceptances. They don't even have a preview day until most schools have their first deposit due. So you may even avoid getting waitlisted by USC if you take the Feb test and do well. I didn't get my acceptance until Mid-to-late March (i found out on the ski slopes during my spring break).

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Choosing the Right Law School / Re: What constitutes a secondary market?
« on: December 04, 2007, 09:35:33 AM »
Boston is primary, I think.  Atlanta is secondary, as is Miami, Seattle, St. Louis, Denver.

What, pray tell, are you basing this on--besides your transparent NE bias?

FWIW the 15 biggest metro areas are, in order:
NYC
LA
Chicago
DC
San Francisco
Philly
Boston
Detroit
Dallas
Houston
Atlanta
Miami
Seattle
PHX
Minneapolis


I think the order of your list is off if you're actually talking about "metropolitan areas" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_metropolitan_areas

1. New York
2. LA
3. Chicago
4. Dallas
5. Philly
6. Houston
7. Miami
8. Washington
9. Atlanta
10. Detroit
11. Boston
12. San Francisco
13. Pheonix
14. Riverside
15. Seattle

But anyway, size of metropolitan area doesn't really correspond to legal market. Philadelphia's legal market is fairly small, so I understand, while Washington's it obviously very large.

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The distinction is even more laughable than "T14" schools. Almost all the markets will have firms that are major players on the national scale and pay market rate. Furthermore, most places you might call "secondary" markets have significant branches of the same firms that are in New York, Washington, Chicago and LA.

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Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Teach for America
« on: December 03, 2007, 06:42:22 PM »
you might consider doing teach for america and applying for law school the second year you're doing it. Teach for America is one of the few ECs that can really boost you.

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