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General board for soon-to-be 1Ls / Re: Why 1L Summer Associate?
« on: June 23, 2008, 12:42:11 AM »
define useful

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what are you doing now and what do you consider bottom of class?

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i never used a commercial outline or book that the prof didn't assign. I bought one for con law, but didn't get to use it because... i lost it.

I DID, however, make regular use of old student outlines or my classmate's outlines. Sometimes I did this to shape my own and sometimes I used them wholesale. Whether I made my own or not depended on the type of class it was, what i thought the prof expected and what type of exam it was. I think this worked out fine for me, and of my three best grades I made an outline for one and used other people's outlines for the other two.

tag so I remember to ask iscoredawaitlist for outlines next year ;)

haha i'd be more than happy to if you've got any of the same professors, but you won't lack for outline options. With the exception of the visiting professor from Cardozo (we actually wrote to the kids at Cardozo to get their outlines, they were very nice for the record) and a first time professor, I usually had 3 or more outlines per class. That's not to say all of them were quality outlines, though.

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i never used a commercial outline or book that the prof didn't assign. I bought one for con law, but didn't get to use it because... i lost it.

I DID, however, make regular use of old student outlines or my classmate's outlines. Sometimes I did this to shape my own and sometimes I used them wholesale. Whether I made my own or not depended on the type of class it was, what i thought the prof expected and what type of exam it was. I think this worked out fine for me, and of my three best grades I made an outline for one and used other people's outlines for the other two.

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General board for soon-to-be 1Ls / Re: Do I need to purchase a suit?
« on: June 20, 2008, 05:53:21 PM »
I think the question is not whether one should purchase a suit, but rather WHEN will you start needing a suit?

Like when do interviews start? Are there any occasions during your first semester before interviews that would require a suit?

I don't think you'd need one your first semester of 1L. Firms/employers aren't allowed to contact (or receive contact) from 1Ls until like December 1st or whatever, so I can't see much of a need for one before then. Most of your interviews for 1L summer gigs will be in the spring.

I guess if you want to do some mock interviews with your OCS and want it to feel more 'real,' you could wear a suit to those. But I can't imagine it's necessary.

That's what I thought. But I had an interview during final exams of first semester that required me to go out and buy a new suit. I advise buying one now. You really don't need more than a basic navy blue/gray suit, but you will need that fairly soon, so you might as well get it out of the way.

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I'd highlight his exam advice. I've spent the past couple of weeks trying to figure out why I did so much better my second semester than my first (over .4 difference in GPA), and the closest I can come to is that I set up my exams in the second semester much the way he did. I tried in the first semester to argue both sides, but I was much more haphazard about it.

I think the key thing to understand is that people learn and study very differently, but most successful exams are done similarly.

For what it's worth, I probably studied less my second semester than my first overall

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General board for soon-to-be 1Ls / Re: Why 1L Summer Associate?
« on: June 20, 2008, 04:39:14 PM »
because 30k over the summer is not something anywhere else will pay even remotely close to. Remember, doing something for free means more debt later as you've still got to pay for food and housing.

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Transferring within same city
« on: June 20, 2008, 01:49:02 PM »
definitely possible from either school. There are transfers here from lesser schools than loyola.

I'll give you the typical thing though: don't count on transfering. I'd go to the school you'd prefer. And certainly don't go to Loyola because you think you'll do better there.

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You should be drinking so much it pains your liver to think about alcohol.  You should be on a beach somewhere.  You should be enjoying what social skills you have before they leave you.  I could continue, but you get my point.  Enjoy your life before it ends.

Thanks.  I can't wait for school now!  :o

eh, i didn't find it as bad as that. I think you're best served by doing things that you actually won't get a chance to do during school. While there's plenty of time in law school to relax and watch TV or go out to dinner with friends, your guilt if nothing else will probably keep you from doing anything that takes half a day or more. Take a vacation, play golf (i agree that's unlikely to happen much during law school), etc.

Also, I'd get into good life habits before you start law school. For example, don't think you're going to go to law school and suddenly start to exercise. Make it a habit beforehand.

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for what it's worth, I sent out resumes to Federal Appeals and District courts in LA on December 1st and got a call 4 days later for an interview. I had my interview during finals, and they let me know January 3rd that they had made their selection (and it wasn't me).

Regardless of my own lack of success doing that, I think it shows that if you want to do an externship with a federal judge, the earlier the better. Besides, you really don't know what your grades will be, so if you can get a great looking resume job (as well as a cool job, from the sounds of it) without having to use your potentially subaverage grades, I'd take the opportunity.

That said, if you want to try to get firm placement, almost all of them want grades before making selections... but many say they want the resume/coverletter/writing sample as soon as possible after December 1st. I'm not sure why they want it, but many do.

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