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Studying and Exam Taking / Re: outlining/class reading
« on: April 07, 2008, 11:08:58 PM »
I just started outlining yesterday and my finals start on the 21st.  But I'm a second semester 3L who doesn't care about grades and never reads for class anyway. 

God, I cannot wait to be a 3L.

Overheard after my 1L class got out and a 3L class was entering.

3L: "Hey, did you do the reading?"

Other 3L: "Nah, I haven't done the reading since February."


This is the exact same conversation that many 1L's have at the beginning of my property class ...

Honestly, I think most law students work for the sake of working - i.e. work WAY too much.  There is no need to spend hours and hours and hours every day.  Jeesh.  You don't want to burn out before finals (which I did last semester - however, my grades were not bad).

General Board / Re: Law review is taking up too much time!
« on: April 04, 2008, 01:02:22 PM »
What the hell ... I'm a 1L and I didn't even start "outlining" until Thanksgiving break  ::)

Everyone is way too overly obsessed w/ studying in law school ... it seems people make themselves busy / study just for the sake of doing so.

General Board / Re: Can You Have A Life in Law School?
« on: March 31, 2008, 10:04:50 PM »
Personally, I think people exaggerate the amount of time law school takes ... I definitely spend more time slacking, but I get things done and I am in the top 1/3.  I have a friend who slacks as much if not more than me and she is in the top 10% (and she was even sick during finals) ... I mean, I studied for maybe 2 hours tops (including outlining) for Contracts and got a B+ ... I do a lot of school work ... but I mean ... there are ppl who are "studying" for hours, but really, how much of that time is studying?  As opposed to talking to ppl in the library or facebooking.

It's really not that bad.  I don't notice a huge difference from undergrad (in general - my last 2 quarters I did NOTHING and got good grades - that's definitely different than LS).

General Board / Re: I don't type I screwed?
« on: March 31, 2008, 06:36:41 PM »
I just wanted to know if you can take the law school exams on paper. Completing them on the computer sounds a little intimidating... I don't know why.

You can, but it's not really intimidating once they teach you how to do it, and it is SO much better!  I promise that it is SO much better than writing by hand ... you know how in bluebooks you have to cross out and scribble and draw arrows?  Well, obviously, none of that when doing exams on computers ... it's fabulous!  And you finish much quicker, and you don't have a crampy hand when you're finished.

General Board / Re: Types of Law?
« on: March 27, 2008, 05:15:48 PM »
Property - i.e. estate planning or real estate seem like pretty solid areas, too.  Although TONS of people hate property with a passion - personally, I kind of like it, but oh well.

I also love torts - this is why I am interested in personal injury, as well.

Also, most ppl decide whether they want to litigate or not.  I'm interested in it.

Most people also decide whether they like (or are interested in) criminal law, too.

So I tell people I'm interested in Civil Litigation.  But I'm still not 100% sure what I want to do ... I don't think anyone is.  A lot of attorneys totally change paths at some point in their career it seems.

General Board / Re: Legal Writing Horror Stories
« on: March 27, 2008, 12:43:28 PM »
All I can say is, thank Fing god that d**mn appellate brief is done. I literally did not sleep the night before it was due.

Haha ... amen.

Except now I have to re-read mine (eek!) and read my partner's so we can do our oral arguments on it  :-\

General Board / Re: Legal Writing Horror Stories
« on: March 26, 2008, 09:22:42 PM »
The guy/gal bitching about page limits has a lot to learn, it's a little perplexing how he got through undergraduate without realizing that certain assignments require brevity.  There's nothing that 'cannot be said in less than 9 pages,' as asserted above. 

I don't think it is particularly helpful, upon realizing that you're not God's gift to legal writing, to come onto the internet and female dog about your professors.  Even a top-notch professor cannot tell you EXACTLY HOW TO DO YOUR WORK without DOING YOUR WORK FOR YOU.  Have reasonable expectations, put in the time required and you will go far.

Yet another humanoid - I'm sorry - KLINGON, who missed the point.
If a brief MUST be more than 9 pages to discuss a complex issue, then so be it.  Don't like it?  Don't read the extra pages.  I am not the sort to ramble on unnecessarily - quite the opposite, actually.
My initial page count was 6, which the teacher informed us was too short.
Shortly thereafter, she told us that it should between 7 and 8 pages long.
Come to find out, the only A's she gave out were to well written 12 page papers, two of them to be precise.
But thanks for the advice, patheticstartreknameguy.  Live long and prosper.

Oh wow ... that's totally unfair to give A's to people who can't follow directions.  Going over the page limit that significantly should be an automatic ding.  Not that I think it's fair, but I mean, in court, your case can get dismissed for not following directions :-/  Better to learn now!

General Board / Re: Favorite class so far in law school?
« on: March 24, 2008, 11:41:27 PM »

General Board / Re: Legal Writing Horror Stories
« on: March 19, 2008, 02:33:55 PM »
wait...i don't get it.  Your profs won't answer questions and you cant go to other students for help??  Aren't you supposed to be in school to learn?  If I were at one of those schools, I might take this up with admin.  You're paying to learn how to be a lawyer; your school forcing you from information that could help you along that path is ridiculous.

Here our profs edit our drafts and conference with us before final drafts are due.  We also are assigned upperclassmen who we can talk with/email about assignments etc.  I still hate LR&W but at least I'm learning something.

They'll teach us after we get our subpar grades :P

I think part of the problem is it's the class that's worth the least amount of credits, so no one takes it as seriously.

General Board / Re: Legal Writing Horror Stories
« on: March 18, 2008, 10:02:12 AM »
I find at my school that our legal writing professors play "hide the ball" more than any other professors.  They WILL NOT help you.  And we aren't allowed to get help from each other or older students.  When we ask questions they KIND OF answer them ... but not really in any helpful way.  They always say we are doing really well until the final grade on a memo/brief ... and then we finally realize what we did wrong (or at least that we did something wrong).  It was MANY people's (including my own) worst/lowest grade.

Maybe they want to be sure it'll be easy to grade on a curve?

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