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Current Law Students / Re: Getting to Maybe
« on: June 15, 2008, 07:17:09 AM »
Yes - I think it is a helpful book.  I didn't read it until a few weeks before my SECOND semester exams, though ... but it was a lot of stuff I'd already figured out by then.  I would NOT recommend reading it before you start law school, though ... there are a lot of really specific examples that will mean NOTHING to you (about Contracts, torts, etc.) before you have learned some of them.  Save it for fall break!

Job Search / Re: 1L Summer job process
« on: June 11, 2008, 05:17:13 AM »
Thanks for the advice and encouraging words... sometimes this board amps my anxiety level!  :)

Wow.  Don't worry so much this far in advance.  You shouldn't even be thinking about it now.  Your focus = adjust to and enjoy law school, and do the best you can (grade-wise).  Your career development folks should be really helpful for this whole process, but do take everything they say w/ a grain of salt (I know ours are overly firm-happy, and really disregard people who want to get experience in criminal law or people who want to work with a judge).  Anyway ... also, don't get too hooked into thinking you MUST have a big fabulous firm job your first summer - it probably isn't going to happen.  Yeah, when I saw that some law students make up to 20grand for a summer - that looked GREAT.  But I know that the chances of getting those gigs (especially for after 1L) are slim.

Anything you do that gives you *legal* experience is well-worth your time.  Don't worry about getting paid ... I'm doing an "unpaid" externship this summer ... but somehow I'm going to come out w/ over 4grand for the summer (work study / federal funding/ public interest/government funds).  Not a big law number, but not too shabby, I think :)

Hey all - thanks for opinions!  It's obviously a moot point, but just wanted to update:

I took the federal externship - working there rocks!

I declined the part-time big business offer after interviewing - all was well.

I cancelled the other interview, b/c I had actually applied to the firm after getting a notice about it from the PRE-LAW list-serv I'm on, and I heard from a friend who knows someone who works there that they generally hire undergrads, so it probably wouldn't be relevant legal work, but more menial stuff.

Hey, everyone - it's been awhile since I posted here!

This week I have 3 "interviews" lined up -

1. Clerk position for federal judge

2. Clerk position for large company w/ legal department (part-time)

3. Clerk position for a firm

Numbers 2 and 3 are a drive from my apartment (ouch gas prices!) whereas federal clerkship will be a short bus ride.  Plus, everyone has told me that THAT is the position I want the most.

SO - basically, I have the federal clerkship interview first (but they have told me that I pretty much have the position), so is the polite/correct thing to do to call the other two places after accepting a position and cancel the interviews? (That's what I was planning to do - say that I've accepted another offer).

And - am I making the best decision?  I've heard lots of good things about clerking for a federal district judge from lots of people!  It is unpaid, but I can get a stipend from my school.

I also have been talking to a couple of firms about part-time work during the upcoming school year ... so perhaps I can get my firm fix then?

Thanks for any and all opinions!

***EDIT: Now the one interview (big company) is TOMORROW, so I guess I'll just go - I doubt they'll offer anything on the spot, but if they do - should I just say that I have 2 more interviews this week and have yet to decide, but I will contact them as soon as I do?

I was planning on making a thread like this too. Except I'd also like to know what "briefing" is? Just short reading notes on the cases you read for class? Seems like it'd be really useful to do, but I've heard people say its a waste of time. Would these be incorporated into your outline?

Also, another stupid question: in general, you get to use your outlines on exams, right?

Again, I am too lazy to explain anything, but man do I love google:

As to the second question.  Yes you can use your outlines for the most part.  Most exams are open book, meaning you can bring the course book, your notes, outlines, whatever.  Some of my profs would specify that you could only bring stuff you had written, some would say only stuff "you had a part in making", some would say "use anything you want, your own notes, commercial outlines and hornbooks, bring anything".  That's just something you have to confirm with the prof.  Also, some exams are closed book, meaning you get nothing.  So far I only know of one section (out of 5) at my school that had one closed book exam... it's not that common.

I think it depends on the school how common closed note exams are ... I had 2 last semester (my first semester - contracts and torts). And I have two this semester - con law and property.

For closed note exams, you probably want a really short outline.  My Contracts was 2 pages (B+ in the class) and I had a rule chart for torts and a 20 page outline.  A in torts.  I have an 11 page outline for con law, and our property professor made us outlines that I will study for our exam next week.

My outlines are generally short ... my longest ones are for civ pro (open note) - around 30 pages.  I'm not sure what the hell everyone else is putting in their outlines, b/c I include everything o.0  Oh well.

Current Law Students / Re: The beginning of the end of 1L
« on: May 04, 2008, 04:44:30 PM »
This week: crim law and con law
Next week: civ pro and property

the closed book con law and property ones are the most frightening!

I'm sure you can do this, however from what older friends tell me, it seems that legal employers are pretty easily freaked out by this kind of stuff. Don't ask me why, I'd love to do the same thing, but it may show them a lack of committment or something like that. Anyways, a bunch of people here are probably gonna get all high and mighty on you about asking this question. I say talk to some employers and see how they feel about it, because you don't want to jeopordize your career after going through all the bull of school.

Employers are worried because you should be over the "I want to see the world" stage of your life by the time you get your JD. 

That's really sad - I hope that people never "get over" wanting to see the world.  Must we all grow old and boring? lol

Current Law Students / Re: outlining/class reading
« on: April 09, 2008, 03:21:51 PM »
I agree - everyone does learn differently.  It just seems that many students are SO stressed/freaked out ALL THE TIME.  And they spend hours and hours in the library - it's crazy!

Current Law Students / Re: outlining/class reading
« on: April 07, 2008, 08:08:58 PM »
I just started outlining yesterday and my finals start on the 21st.  But I'm a second semester 3L who doesn't care about grades and never reads for class anyway. 

God, I cannot wait to be a 3L.

Overheard after my 1L class got out and a 3L class was entering.

3L: "Hey, did you do the reading?"

Other 3L: "Nah, I haven't done the reading since February."


This is the exact same conversation that many 1L's have at the beginning of my property class ...

Honestly, I think most law students work for the sake of working - i.e. work WAY too much.  There is no need to spend hours and hours and hours every day.  Jeesh.  You don't want to burn out before finals (which I did last semester - however, my grades were not bad).

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