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Job Search / Re: Reasonable Job Opportunities w/My Stats
« on: September 02, 2007, 02:12:22 AM »
Hey guys, I'm a 2L at a middle Tier 1 school in a large city.  I am in the Top 20% of my class, wrote on to one of my school's "niche" journals, am on the moot court team, and am the SBA vice president.  I kinda feel as if I'm jack of all trades but master of none.  I want to go into civil rights/constitutional litigation, ultimately would like to be an appellate lawyer.  What size/ranking of firm should I realistically be looking at?  I've had OCI interviews with a handful of large firms, one ding letter on callbacks and some no-responses.

Where should I look?

As long as you have decent interviewing skills i'd feel confident of your chances of landing a large firm job.  Your best bet would be to speak to 3Ls at your school to get a feel for what your reasonable job opportunities are... they'll sure as hell be able to answer that much better than the ppl on this board...

Job Search / Declining Callback interviews
« on: September 02, 2007, 02:10:54 AM »
Ok so I was invited for a few callback interviews about 2-3 weeks ago.  I accepted the invitation (before i received my first offer) and I also scheduled travel arrangements. 
A few days after I accepted these invitations I received my first offer and though I have not yet accepted it, I would likely take the offer over any of these other firms. 

Obviously to save time and money I should call them back and decline the callback interviews but I was wondering if I would be responsible for paying the firms back for the airplane tickets.  I'm reading the itinerary and there is a $100 cancellation fee and I was wondering if the firm would have  me pay it off.  If i'm gonna have to pay it off i'll just go to the callback but otherwise i'd really like to clear out my calendar. 

I would appreciate advice from upperclassmen who actually had experience with this.  THanks in advance!

Current Law Students / Re: Work experience or grades?
« on: September 02, 2007, 01:57:23 AM »
Not to be a jerk, but that explains a lot.  It's probably true that tier 2 + law review isn't going to get you a lot of looks at BIGLAW if you don't have good grades.  t14 + law review gets you in pretty much anywhere except Wachtell.

This recruiting season there are a lot of Tier 2 students getting offers from NY biglaw.  oh and i'm referring to students that aren't on law review (but are in the top quarter of their class). 

Job Search / Re: OCI screening interviews
« on: September 02, 2007, 01:55:20 AM »
I wonder if I am the only one who got notification of a callback via snail mail? I was really surprised because when I saw than thin little letter in the mail, I expected a rejection. FWIW, it came 1 week after my screening interview and after they had done OCIs at other local schools.

now i feel like an a-hole for throwing out all my letters without opening them...

Job Search / Re: Had Callback...Where's the Offer?
« on: September 02, 2007, 01:54:19 AM »
Had a few callback interviews in NYC almost 2 weeks ago. Absolute silence: no emails, calls, or snail mail. I thought I was supposed to hear within one or two weeks, but this is just getting weird. Does this mean that my rejection letter is in the mail? Are they waiting to interview all the other kids from my school with callbacks? Or is it just too early for firms to hand out offers? Not liking the wait...

p.s. Top 25 school, okay GPA (not great), no law review (on a journal), and supposedly my interviewing skillz are good.

SOrry buddy i think we're screwed :(  i'm also waiting to hear back from 2 callbacks and monday would make it a full 2 weeks.  all my offers came within 4 business days so i'm not sure what this 2 week deal is.  I spoke to a few upperclassmen and they said certain firms meet bi-weekly or their recruiting ppl may be out on vacation but i hear 2 weeks = death. 

don't worry with your stats and interviewing skills you should be able to get an offer somewhere.  good luck chief

Job Search / Re: Scheduling Callback
« on: September 02, 2007, 01:51:53 AM »
Believe it or not, law school career officers are not as dependable as you might think. 

Scheduling your callback interviews earlier rather than later is a much better idea.  At the beginning of September and August, law firms have a lot of available spots to give out.  By October they've already given out a lot of offers and will be less willing to give out more.  At this point it may be extremely difficult to schedule anything in September for certain firms.  White & Case ran out of available callback slots for the entire month of September and the earliest you can get is October. 

Whatever the case, you won't be severely handicapped by doing it later in the month.  If you already scheduled it then you should just stick to it.  I have no idea how this thread got so nasty but uhhh... good luck to everyone on their callbacks?  ???

Job Search / Re: Scheduling Callback
« on: August 30, 2007, 10:42:34 AM »
from my understanding it's a better idea to schedule them early.  they will have more spots available so you will have a slightly better chance at getting an offer. 

also, if you get an offer from a really good firm early in the game, you can bring that up in subsequent interviews which will help a lot (so long as you don't rub it in or sound like an idiot about it).  Plus you can get an early offer and your job search becomes that much easier!

Good luck with your interviews

Current Law Students / Re: DC prospects?
« on: August 28, 2007, 01:37:43 AM »
Hi, everyone.  This is my first post.  I just started at CU and was wondering if there are any of our grads (or anyone else who might know) floating around these forums who might give me a heads up about what to expect in the job market down the road.  I'm guessing from the little bit of research I've done that Big Law is only really something that the top 10-25 percent of the class has much chance with (I know Law Review, etc also matters).  Obviously, I'll try to be at the top, but so will everyone else, no doubt.  Do medium sized DC firms hire many of our grads, and what is the average starting salary at such a medium sized firm?  I know that's a lot of questions, but I'll very much appreciate any information anyone might have.

do you have any ties to the region?  if you're not from DC and you don't have anything on your resume that involves DC it may be nearly impossible for you to get a biglaw job there. 

Current Law Students / Re: Where to put luggage during callbacks?
« on: August 28, 2007, 01:19:51 AM »
i think i already answered this on your old post but in all the callbacks i went to, interviewees were permitted to store their luggage in closets at the reception area.  you can store your luggage, laptop, umbrella, whatevers into that closet.  for half of my callbacks the recruiting people met me after my last scheduled interview just to give me some more info on their recruiting policy and when i should expect to hear back.  at that point they will escort you back to the reception area for you to pick up your stuff. 

a few times i was left on my own after my very last interview and i guess you can walk yourself over to the reception area and take your stuff out. 

hope that helps

Job Search / Re: distinguishing one firm from another...
« on: August 28, 2007, 01:15:18 AM »
to me they all seem the same. one big firm after another. im starting on callbacks soon and hopefully will get some offers. however, they all seem nice, friendly and generally have the same "quality" selling points.

what is good criteria for choosing a firm?  i know there are "vault rankings" but honestly really how important is that? how much weight are rankings?

the great thing about chambers and partners is that it ranks specific practice areas.  if you have a general idea of what you wanna do that site may be better for you than vault. 

also, keep in mind that even if the QOL at a firm sucks, the exit options at that particular firm may be amazing so if you can suck it up for just a few years you should be able to lateral out with ease.  you may also wanna speak to upperclassmen or practicing attorneys that know something about this. 

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