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Present partners and safe sex should be the only concerns.
   

I disagree.  Some people are concerned about what values the potential future mother of their children has... What type of values will a promiscuous woman teach to their daughter(s)?  It's ok to have "fu*kbuddies?"

My point is that some people look for different values in women and have a right to have other concerns beside safe sex.


I happen to agree with this one. While in high school my best friends mom had all kind of guys going in and out of that house. She even had her daughter drive her to the other womans house on one occasion. Yet, when her daughter lost her virginity at 18 to some random dude (unprotected), her mother called her all kind ungodly of names. It's unrealistic to expect your child have a set of values you as a parent never practiced and neglected to teach them.

A good anecdote that reflects the point...

We can parse the point by saying the person will change values later, but do peoples' values change often?  Enough to make the current choice in a partner that will more than likely affect your offspring's life?    

Funia's anecdote shows the consequences of a parent value.
 

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Um, that is a given.  It is also a non sequitur in that it fails to address the point that other people have a right to have other concerns beside safe sex, when choosing a partner. 

 ::)

Non sequitur? I wasn't responding to the later part of your post. I was responding to your little fuckbuddy comment by trying to show that what you (or the hypothetical party you were referring to) would call a "promiscuous woman" may actually be able to teach valuable lessons to your (or their) daughter(s). K?


The old do as I say, not as I do (did) statement. It's a point. Although, one can teach their kids the same lesson by not having been promiscuous, and, at the same time, serving as a role model, without coming across as a possible hypocrite to the child(ren).


Not necessarily.  Do as I say, perhaps as I did, but be smart about all of your choices!  Own who you are and how you choose to live, be happy and fulfilled by your life - I will love you regardless.  Is that a bad lesson?


It's a good lesson. On that note, the same can be said about a former drug user teaching others through experience.   The point I made in my previous post is one can teach the same lessons without having to deal with the "you did it and learned from it, so why can't I also" question.  It takes out one less variable they have to "explain." And, at the same time, gives them more moral authority on the issue.

ok i am laughing hysterically..
 :D :D :D :D


Lol.  I'm sure you know what they say about being so easily amused   ;)

They say something about that?  Really?  :D

Really. Don't you know there are cliches for just about anything  ;)

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ok i am laughing hysterically..
 :D :D :D :D


Lol.  I'm sure you know what they say about being so easily amused   ;)

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Um, that is a given.  It is also a non sequitur in that it fails to address the point that other people have a right to have other concerns beside safe sex, when choosing a partner. 

 ::)

Non sequitur? I wasn't responding to the later part of your post. I was responding to your little fuckbuddy comment by trying to show that what you (or the hypothetical party you were referring to) would call a "promiscuous woman" may actually be able to teach valuable lessons to your (or their) daughter(s). K?


The old do as I say, not as I do (did) statement. It's a point. Although, one can teach their kids the same lesson by not having been promiscuous, and, at the same time, serving as a role model, without coming across as a possible hypocrite to the child(ren).

 

Would you like me to respond to the later point? OK. You're right: people do have a right to take a number of different factors into consideration when choosing a partner, not just safe sex. Good job. You get a gold star PLUS extra credit for managing squeeze in "non sequitur."  

Lol!  Too bad my current grades aren't dependent on your assessment  ;)

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I disagree.  Some people are concerned about what values the potential future mother of their children has... What type of values will a promiscuous woman teach to their daughter(s)?  It's ok to have "fu*kbuddies?"

My point is that some people look for different values in women and have a right to have other concerns beside safe sex.

Or maybe the lesson is that she is free to live the life that she wants without being constrained by what society thinks a woman should be.

Um, that is a given.  It is also a non sequitur in that it fails to address the point that other people have a right to have other concerns beside safe sex, when choosing a partner. 

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Do you think a woman's past is the biggest indicator of her present values?

Don't know.

That said, many people make decisions based on current information.  So, again, my point is that (when it comes to a potential partner’s sexual behavior) an individual has the right to have other concerns beside safe sex practices.

Really, can people's value(s) change?  Sure.  Would you want to date/marry a person on the premise that they will change certain values you seriously disagree with?

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Present partners and safe sex should be the only concerns.
   

I disagree.  Some people are concerned about what values the potential future mother of their children has... What type of values will a promiscuous woman teach to their daughter(s)?  It's ok to have "fu*kbuddies?"

My point is that some people look for different values in women and have a right to have other concerns beside safe sex.

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Black Law Student Discussion Board / Re: The Black Women's Thread
« on: June 20, 2007, 10:11:04 AM »
I just thought about something..women are now going to buy padded underwear and getting butt cheek implants to pump up their bottoms...wonder what the article's author thinks of that.

that's been going on a min...butt enhancement surgery is the new big thing


lol. That reminds me of something my aunt always says.Basically that everyone wants to be black but they don't want to admit it, they go and get lip injections to make their lips fuller, they go and get butt implants, they tan their skin to make it darker... etc

It goes both ways though.  When some blacks (and women from other "minority" groups as well) stop doing the following for all the wrong reasons: lightening their hair, wearing colored contacts, bleaching their skin, and having a "light is right" attitude -- then I'll be much more concerned with what other women are doing to look like us.  ;)

titcr

On a personal note, whenever I see a black woman with bleach blonde hair it looks so unnatural and funny to me--It's almost like looking at a punk rocker with purple hair.


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Black Law Student Discussion Board / Re: The Black Men Thread
« on: June 19, 2007, 07:30:31 PM »
Married women = good stuff.

Would you still feel that way when your future wife is getting banged from some other dude  ;)

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Black Law Student Discussion Board / Re: I flunked out...any advice?
« on: June 19, 2007, 06:32:41 PM »
I think people just need to learn a little human decency - there's a time and a place.  I mean, the OP is upset right now and came here for support.  You expect a certain amount of flame in response (the trolls can't keep it in their pants) but for people to respond to him by saying, "Whoa, how'd you manage to @#!* up that badly?" shows a certain lack of compassion.  



Well that's how it came across to me initially--and I suspect to the OP also based on OP's response.  That said, she clarified her meaning in a subsequent post...

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