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Job Search / Re: Cravath
« on: October 01, 2007, 09:42:42 AM »
what's the chance of working for Cravath with a JD from Fordham?
close to 0?

I googled Cravath and went to "attorney search." Looks like aside from the HYS standard the next primary set of law schools was from NYC. (correct me if I'm wrong - I think Fordam is in the city? - sorry not from there).

Anyways, there were 32 attorneys listed from Fordham, compared w/ 64 from NYU, and 82 from Columbia. 

There were less than 20 attorneys from each of these schools I looked up: Cornell, Penn, Chicago, Georgetown, UVA. (and for the record, ok, only 9 from Stanford).

Another note is I didn't pay attn to attorneys' titles and what they might have implied.

But all in all, it didn't look too bad for Fordam...

Now can anyone sum up what makes Cravath the primier firm in the U.S.? Is their client base fundamentally different than your tyical presitgous firms? (other than the firm's smaller size, etc..) Honest question -- not too familiar with them and what might set them aside.

(alright just lost 20 minutes... back to the studies...)

Cravath hires the top students from the top law schools.  More importantly, their partner-per-profit stats are insane - $2,600,000.  Many other top firms have a PPP of about a million, although the very top firms have PPP close to Cravath.  They have a large NYC office and don't have a trillion offices all over the world, so they are very targeted in terms of their client base, advertising, etc.  I think they just have the NYC office and then a London office.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Harvard vs. Stanford
« on: April 15, 2008, 02:22:09 PM »
Seriously?  (bolded part below)  How can Stanford's law buildings be beautiful and matching? The law school is basically one building, and it's ugly. Stanford U's campus in general is gorgeous, but the law school?  I don't think so (but that's just me)...

I really like Harvard's law campus. It's actually a CAMPUS, with multiple buildings, a gorgeous library, and the inside of most of the classrooms are great!

I'm very torn about this decision, though obviously either would be a great choice.

I've visited both and felt more "at home" at Harvard, but that's probably because I grew up 30 minutes from there and am definitely a city person. On the other hand, I had been looking forward to being somewhere new for law school, and I love the Bay Area. Plus Stanford has great weather. But again, I'm definitely a city person.

Aesthetically, I had some problems with Harvard. I found most of the law buildings to be pretty plain, and it bothered me that none of them matched. (That's probably because I was comparing them to Stanford, which is beautiful and matching and perfect  :).) I liked the facilities at Stanford more.
I'm not sure how I feel about class size, as both big and small have their pros and cons. My undergrad was bigger and more impersonal, which I liked, but again in the spirit of trying something new this could go either way.

I don't know what I want to do after law school, and it seems like basically a wash in terms of doors opened (with the exception of international law, which I am not terribly interested in).

I talked to several students at each school and got the sense that 1L year is more enjoyable at Stanford. After that everyone at both schools seemed pretty happy.

So, my dilemma really comes down to whether or not I think I'll be happy without an urban feel outside of campus. Is anyone struggling with the same decision? Would any current students mind weighing in? Thanks in advance!

Incoming 1Ls / Cambridge/Boston Realtors?
« on: April 08, 2008, 08:54:16 AM »
I'm starting to look for housing in or near Cambridge, and there are a trillion realtors on Harvard's list of realtors, but I have no idea which are good and which are not, and the housing office cannot make recommendations.  Does anyone have a realtor they'd recommend for rentals in or near Cambridge?


Law School Admissions / Re: an bryce
« on: March 31, 2008, 12:13:31 PM »
I would not recommend bringing up other scholarships. Anbryce is completely different than any other scholarship out there, and they're looking for much different things than any other scholarship.  The folks interviewing and deciding know that all of the interviewees are facing difficult decisions, with multiple scholarships at other schools.  Bringing up those scholarship will just make you look cocky, or like you're trying to game the system.  It's a privilege for anyone to get this scholarship, rather than a privilege for NYU to have you in the program (as is the case with many other purely merit-based scholarships).

Law School Admissions / Re: an bryce
« on: March 27, 2008, 08:29:15 PM »
I went through the AB process last year (INCREDIBLE PROGRAM) and would be happy to talk to anyone going through the same process (either about the interviews, visit, or the DECISION if you're one of the lucky finalists (only get 3 days to decide!)  PM me if you'd like to talk about it.

wow, congrats to all the newlyweds and soon-to-be newlyweds!

ive been married for almost a year and a half, the husband is in his first yr of med school and being that he is a baby, and i am anal when it comes to being clean and organized, all the house responsbilities fell on me.  which was fine this year, when i was working PT and doing LS apps.

next year i will be a 1L, he will be in 2nd year med school...i feel like i will have to hire someone to cook clean and do the laundry and dishes! i cannot imagine doing all that plus law school right now.

i was tryin to convince my husband that this year would be a good time to have a baby, but now im really reconsidering that statement.

Have you (or anyone else on the board) known someone who has had a baby during law school?  How's that work out?  Is it horrible, especially with the stress and money issues of being a student?

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: deferring admission
« on: March 27, 2008, 01:08:39 PM »
It isn't looked upon favorably, but wouldn't prevent you from being a lawyer.

That said, don't do it.  The school is going out on a limb to defer your admission, don't take advantage of them.

It could prevent you from going to law school. If you defer, then go to another school, the original school could absolutely contact the school you want to attend and let them know you unethically have applied to other schools during a deferment and that could cause HUGE problems.  And yes, unethical activity during the application process could prevent you from being barred.

I have a question for current HLS students or admits.  I got my aid package results back, and they said that they are "unable to respond to merit-based offers of assistance from other schools."  Is this actually true in practice?  It seems a little ridiculous, if not slightly arrogant, to just ignore scholarships from other T14s, especially large ones.  Can anyone comment on this?

Some people hint about back channels between admissions and financial aid but I'm not sure they exist. Financial aid at Harvard is very explicitly needs based only and as far as I can tell is pretty formulaic. They made a policy decision for how to allocate their financial aid funds and to deviate from that to respond to offers from other schools is at least a bit dishonest. (Sorry if that sounds a bit dramatic, I just finished a set of readings on bribes and corporate corruption).

Yeah, I definitely understand that they want to stick to their policy.  It just seems that, given the way it plays itself out, their policy is a bit presumptuous in saying something like, "We don't care what other schools offer you, you should still want to come here for full price."

I think it's more like, "Everyone who gets here is really really smart, so we can't do merit-based scholarships because everyone would get them.  Instead we're going to focus on the level of need for where to give aid.  Especially because once you get out of Harvard, our LIPP is so great that even if you have tons of loans you're set, and if you go corporate, you're set."

Or something along those lines

Quick question:

I received my financial aid package recently, and I'm thrilled (and a little surprised) at how downright reasonable it is. However, I'm considering deferring, and am concerned that my offer might be substantially different next year. If my financials remain pretty consistent, should the offer be about the same? Could it be higher to try to retain students, and once I defer, they know they have me? Any 2 or 3Ls who had a very different aid package their next year?

I'm absolutely thrilled with HLS and their offer, and I'm just worried my own plans might mess the whole thing up  :(

I actually did defer and am hoping to receive my financial aid offer sometime next week.  I'll let you know what I find out, as I was worried about this very thing.  However, since Harvard's offers are need-based and not to recruit folks, it should not change substantially provided your financials (and your parents, if applicable) do not change substantially.  You can definitely call the financial aid office for more info though - they're really nice.

Law School Admissions / Re: HELP - Harvard Visit?!
« on: March 12, 2008, 02:18:23 PM »
Also, congratulations!  And if you want all the info for the program and can come this weekend, give a call to the admissions office and they'll send it all to your personal email account and give you everything you need to know.

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