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Incoming 1Ls / Re: law school grades
« on: October 05, 2010, 11:42:13 AM »
, Boyd requires more writing classes (3 to graduate) plus a scholarly (publishable - aka Law Review Note, minimum of 25 pages not including footnotes) from EVERY student to graduate. Harvard doesn't require that. 

Harvard may not technically require that much writing, but I guarantee almost nobody gets through Harvard without doing reams of legal writing. I wrote five 30 page papers and a 70 page paper in law school (not including what I wrote in LRW) even though my school only formally required one paper.

Incoming 1Ls / Re: law school grades
« on: October 05, 2010, 10:41:14 AM »
I guess that impresses Chevron executives who employ such firms. If those firms want to believe that their associates are so great, good for them.   

I think the T14 preference at biglaw is as much about recruiting efficiency as anything else. It's much easier go to 10 top schools to hire 20 summer associates than to go to 50 schools to hire the same number. This is a byproduct of firms strong preference for getting candidates from OCI.

I think Boyd grads rule, even over T14 grads. There are not many "big firms" in NV, though. I think our largest firm has 80 attorneys. 

If the largest firm is 80 attorneys, most would say that there are no big firms. 80 is generally considered midlaw.

Incoming 1Ls / Re: law school grades
« on: October 04, 2010, 04:16:49 PM »
  Also, whether you get a 2.5 or a 3.5 from Stanford, you're probably still going to get a decent job.

It's actually impossible to get either from Stanford. They no longer give letter grades. It's Honors/Pass/Fail.

In short, I would hire a law student with a 3.8 out of Boyd or any ABA school over the guy with the 3.0 from Harvard, all other things being equal.

No you wouldn't. There are no letter grades at Harvard either. You wouldn't be able to compare them.

Incoming 1Ls / Re: law school grades
« on: October 04, 2010, 10:05:30 AM »
Maybe the ELITE schools are more lenient about their grades.

They are. That's why the study referenced above is misleading. They were comparing success based on absolute GPA's, not class rank. Higher absolute GPA's are much easier to obtain from topped ranked schools.

Even if they weren't, I'm not convinced at all that someone will do much better at a lower ranked school (within reason). While I think it's probably safe to say that the average Yale student will do quite well at Cooley, I don't think it's at all safe to say that your average UCLA student would do much better at Hastings. The differences between the student bodies are just too fine- 2-3 points on the LSAT does not indicate a significant difference in capabilities.

Incoming 1Ls / Re: law school grades
« on: October 03, 2010, 03:18:41 PM »
That would make sense a 3.0 at Georgetown is pretty damn good. WIth a 3.0 you would probably be at least in the top 30% with a 3.0.

Not at all.

A 3.0 at Georgetown is hovering around bottom 25%. Median is 3.3. Top 1/3 cutoff is around 3.5 for graduating 3Ls.

Current Law Students / Re: These discussions are killing me....
« on: October 02, 2010, 02:16:07 PM »
Personally, I too find most of the information on this website extremely negative.  I was very excited about my decision to go to law school until I came upon this site.  Yet, here I am still.  Reading away.

Lol- this one of the more positive websites. Try or if you want negative.

Incoming 1Ls / Re: law school grades
« on: October 02, 2010, 02:12:58 PM »

“Imagine an average student (GPA 3.25-3.5) at 47th ranked University of Florida,” the report states. “If she had attended 20th ranked George Washington University, her grades likely would have slipped to the 2.75-3.0 range, and her salary would drop considerably (by 22 percent.) If she had attended 80th ranked Rutgers, she probably could have improved her grades to land in the 3.5-3.75 range, and earned a 13 percent higher salary

This is complete nonsense. Higher ranked schools have a higher curve- making it easier to have a higher GPA.

Fun fact: Jerry Springer went to a T14 law school.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Is law school even worth it?
« on: September 17, 2010, 08:21:07 AM »
The higher ranking school you go to, the better your chances.  In the T20, I have not found a school with less than a 93% rate of employment  9 months after graduation.  Not to shabby for the poor economy.  I'd assume that the bottom 10% of many schools struggle to find jobs

#1: You do realize that "employed" counts bartenders and Starbucks barristas?
#2: US news stats are very misleading/inaccurate (Especially with respect to salaries)

Thats why I want to pursue law with the hopes of working for the federal government. I just want to know how hard that is?

It's not easy. I would put your odds at 1/4 from a 40-50 ranked school. Odds are a bit better if you are willing to do JAG (but that's not a 9-5 job). You also have to keep in mind that the 80-90k 9-5 job is the snipe of legal employment for new gradates.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Part-time or Full-time???
« on: September 16, 2010, 11:12:42 AM »
It depends on your career track and your earning potential while in law school.

PT law school makes a lot of sense if it allows you to graduate with little to no debt. PT might not make sense if you have the option of going to a top school and have little earning potential.

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