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« on: November 22, 2010, 01:46:29 PM »
I have a 3.8 undergraduate GPA and an LSAT score of 175. I received a bachelor's degree in criminal justice with a concentration in law enforcement from Jacksonville State University. I was a member of the pre-law society, a member of Lambda Alpha Epsilon and I have work experience from Blue Bell Creameries.
I have already applied to several schools but no one has let me know anything about scholarships yet......any thoughts??
With those numbers you should get at least one full ride to a T14. There are three named full ride scholarships I know of specifically: The Michigan Darrow, The Duke Mordecai, and the Columbia Hamilton. Depending on softs, you could be in the running for all three.
« on: November 22, 2010, 10:56:17 AM »
At the risk of a minor hijack - perhaps I am letting out my inner grumpola, but I find that most "clinics" in law school are of limited value for anyone who is biglaw bound (and for many others as well), and perhaps even harmful.
I say this because:
1. The subject matter of most clinics is irrelevant to your future job, and they provide little if any resume boost.
2. The practical skills and experience gained, to the extent not irrelevant to the job, would be gained within a couple of weeks of starting with the firm anyway.
3. Law school allows you to spend time acquiring information that will be much harder to learn after graduation.
4. The time spent on your welfare/street law/landlord could have been spent taking an extra tax class, which WILL come in handy after graduation.
There are exceptions, of course - an appellate clinic might teach useful skills, and if that particular clinic has resume value then that is good. And I would view full-time clinic placements during summers as a different creature from intra-year course-based clinics.
But by and large I don't think clinics add a lot.
That said, clinics can be fun, and there is certainly value in that.
(Any update from other schools? I'm still pulling for Yale, and hopefully you won't have to go to BikePilot's school. But as I said earlier, I would consider Georgetown a smashing success given your odd resume. Any improvement from there is pure gravy. AFAIK that school has an extraordinarily good success rate specifically with biglaw, which would suit you well.)
I think the appellate lit clinic at GULC is worth it if you can get in. Several GULC students have argued cases before the SCOUS through the clinic. They tend to take people who have the ability to get COA clerkships, and are likely to be able to practice appellate lit in the future.
« on: November 20, 2010, 06:00:30 PM »
So, the question is why would a firm that practices law on a regular basis seek a lawyer from a category of law schools that is known for greatly producing lawyers that do not practice law?
I think you mischaracterize "top tier" grads. Most top tier grads practice law to the same extent as grads from lower-tier schools. All schools produce graduates that end up not practicing law eventually.
« on: November 20, 2010, 10:10:34 AM »
Thanks. I'm assuming that grades are of utmost importance in gaining access to Appellate litigation? Or is brown nosing the way to go?
I think it's mostly grades. Basically, they want the people who will be COA clerks after graduation. I never applied to it though- so I'm not 100%.
« on: November 19, 2010, 11:42:59 AM »
Nealric, I was told I could take the Street Clinic the my 2L and Appellate Litigation clinic my 3L. That right?
Yeah, it's possible. But be aware that the appellate litigation is really hard to get into.
« on: November 19, 2010, 10:26:38 AM »
In regards to the Nearlic post if that lawyer is charging $400 an hour and only paying those lawyers $32.00 an hour couldn't these lawyers file a class action against him? It seems like they would have a great case and could even get experience by fighting him. I am always baffled that attorneys who are licensed by the bar sit and complain on blogs about how unfair things are. They are lawyers so they should do something if they are getting screwed around. The reason nobody pays these type of people is because they are incapable of defending themselves from getting screwed. If these lawyers cannot defend themselves who in their right mind would want someone who cannot defend themselves representing them?
These people are living close to the edge financially. Suing the temp agency would mean they are blacklisted from future doc review jobs and have no means of supporting themselves. But I wasn't referencing the specific incident, but the general conditions in doc review. Low end legal work in NYC often isn't much better than the doc review sweatshops. NYC can be a truly terrible place to practice law if you can't swing biglaw or a good public interest job.
« on: November 18, 2010, 04:07:29 PM »
Law schools don't care much about your resume. Just kick butt on the LSAT.
« on: November 18, 2010, 04:06:37 PM »
With a 178, you have a virtually 100% chance of getting into Northwestern. You also have great shots at pretty much all the 7-14 schools except Berkley.
« on: November 18, 2010, 04:01:56 PM »
Here's my dilemma; do I have a chance of getting into a decent law school such as Pace University, New York Law or anything else decent around my area?
I know I should retake the LSAT but the thing is, I have no time to study. I could retake it in June, but of course I wouldn't be able to go to school until 2012.
The general consensus is that neither Pace nor New York Law are decent law schools. Their job placement is absolutely terrible, but they are some of the most expensive schools in the country. They are notorious one-way tickets to document review hell. If you don't know what document review is, read this blog a bit: http://temporaryattorney.blogspot.com/
As Bigs suggested, CUNY is a much better option. It's cheaper, and with its public interest mission, is likely to have ties to jobs that will qualify you for 10-year income based loan repayal.
Law school will still be there next year. I strongly advise you to take the LSAT at least two more times unless you blow it out of the water the second time. You should be study 200-300 hours at MINIMUM total before you take the LSAT again. You don't necessarily need a high-priced course, but you need to be tearing that test inside and out until it becomes second nature to you. YOU HAVE TIME TO STUDY. An hour a day is all you need. This isn't just about getting in, but can also be about thousands of dollars in scholarship money. The LSAT is the single most important part of your law school app. 5 points can be the difference between getting rejected and getting in with a big scholarship.
« on: November 18, 2010, 03:55:32 PM »
Then Cardozo & Brooklyn are about as good from what I understand.
Fordham is a solid step above Cardozo/Brooklyn in placement.
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