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Would you tell a prospective law student that there's no difference between a school ranked 20 by US News, and one ranked 62?

No, but I would tell a prospective law student there's not much of a difference between a school ranked 52 and 72.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Will online JD's ever be ABA approved?
« on: February 23, 2011, 06:03:44 PM »
Ask Nostradamus.

As far as the process for practicing law in Florida, most states have a 5-year reciprocity requirement. However, I believe some states may not allow a non-ABA grad to practice at all (not sure on that). 


Someone really should congradulate Cooley; they went from #12 in their own rankings up to #2 beat only by Harvard.

Take that Princton, Yale,etc,etc....... 8)

Everybody knows that Princeton has the best law school.

This thread has jumped the shark. I'm locking it.

US News is about right for the top 14. After that, the NLJ 250 placement ranking is an OK (but imperfect) bet.

The problem with rankings is that they are one-size fits all. Not everyone has the same financial situation, and not everyone has the same post-graduation goals.

Visits, Admit Days, and Open Houses / Re: Wayne State: Worth it?
« on: February 18, 2011, 04:28:24 PM »
Doing well at WSU will give you a decent shot at just about any MI law firm.

With a few noteworthy exceptions, doing well enough at any school will give you a decent shot at just about any firm anywhere.

What's the cost of UW? What are the conditions on the Gonzaga scholarship?

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: A list of questions
« on: February 18, 2011, 04:25:45 PM »

What is your opinion of the University of Kentucky? I use this as my own arbitrary cut-off at roughly
rank #60.

Are there any advantages to looking at top Canadian schools? Are there benefits in the financial aid
system for an American student?

Even if only being a small help, is there an advantage to go to the law school of the university you
graduated from? For instance a University of New Mexico graduate going to UNM's law school?

On an unrelated note, is anyone aware of a free Windows graphing utility to plot functions on a 2D
coordinate plane?

What is the process for selection for Law Review?

#1. There is no rank cutoff. After the top 20-30 schools, US news gets quite wonky. Any "University of XYZ" will probably be fine. But any school can be a bad decision if it involves too much debt. Almost all the horror stories come from people who were heavily indebted AND couldn't find a job. If you have no debt and no family to support, hacking it as a solo isn't nearly as bad.

#2. Advantage: may allow you to work in Canada, can study civil law at McGill. In general, the Canadian market is much less saturated than the US market. I wouldn't recommend a Canadian school for US practice. Even the U of Toronto only places a handful of people in the US post graduation.

#3. As far as admissions, maybe a small boost. For jobs, wouldn't really matter.

#4. Law review: depends on school. Usually is based on grades, a writing competition, or some combination thereof.     

Visits, Admit Days, and Open Houses / Re: Non-ABA versus ABA
« on: February 10, 2011, 09:25:00 PM »
No desire to be long winded here. Simply put, pass the California Bar say through famous on liner Concord or other many non-ABA california schools or Alabama or elsewhere, get your fully ABA accredited LLM on-line from Thomas Jefferson or other BM school and suddenly you are a serious international and domestic tax and business attorney that can pretty much practice anywhere in the world. 

I am a tax attorney at a large law firm, and I have never ever come across another tax lawyer who did not go to an ABA school. It may be theoretically possible, but it's highly unlikely. 

Tier 3 and 4 schools that have given me FULL SCHOLARSHIPS or close to it, lower end Tier 1 schools like Catholic University of America that have given me a moderate scholarship but will still require me to pay $20,000 to $25,000 a year, and more solid Tier 1 schools like Loyola in Chicago, University of Denver, etc. where I will have to pay $35,000 to $40,000. So I guess what I am asking is, as a general rule, would it be more wise to go to school for virtually nothing but sacrifice the kinds of connections the Tier 1 schools offer, or would it be better to go to a school like Catholic University of America where the cost is moderate but still a total of $60,000 to $75,000 more than a Tier 3 and 4 school, OR am I better off going to the best school I can provided that it is the best 1 or 2 schools in the market? Any advice would be really helpful! I really just, cannot make up my mind. All of the cities that I have narrowed it down to are great, so it's not about's mostly about finances at this point.

I would be inclined to take the full ride, assuming the GPA conditions aren't too onerous. Remember that law school grading is nothing like undergrad grading. A 3.0 is by no means a sure bet even if you work hard at a lot of T3/4 schools.

The schools you described like CUA are really not 1st tier schools. US News arbitrarily decided to skip eliminate the 2nd tier a few years ago, but anything below top 50 is generally considered 2nd tier. In any case, even a school like CUA gives you very little chance of getting a job at a large firm- which is the only easy way to pay back 100k+ of loans. It's much easier to go into a small firm or start your own without huge debts.

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