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Other benefits worthwhile?

The 'experience' is probably a good reason for a younger student. Myself, having lived in Asia for five years in my 20s and having become bilingual while there, I'm looking at this for the possible practical value.

It's a good year away, so I haven't started really looking into the academics of the various options, and in fact this is the launch pad of my "research". At this point, I just want to see if there is anyone out there who has done this before, or anyone who can speak on its long term benefits.

  • Is it really worth it as a networking opportunity?
  • Does it have major added value on 'the resume'?
  • Is the legal education solid and different enough to be worth skipping out from a semester of your home school?
  • What unique problems occur in doing this?
  • Thoughts from anyone who has done one of these programs?



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Good idea or bad idea to go into one of these?

Consider these schools:

  • International Law at Temple Law in Tokyo
  • International Law at Leiden in the Netherlands.
  • Business Law at Bocconi in Milano Italy
  • Eu Law at Copenhagen in Denmark
  • School of Oriental and African Studies Law Faculty in London
  • Law at New South Wales in Sydney Australia

Any thoughts on the value to one's future of spending a fall or spring in one of these places as a 2L or 3L?

Any links to ratings and reviews of their programs, or blogs or other writings by past students who have gone to them?

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L.L.M. Board / Re: Univ San Francisco versus Hastings
« on: August 23, 2005, 08:39:38 PM »
I went with Hastings.

I've been buried in books and meetings and paperwork, so I haven't had a chance to mentioned thatr here yet.

After I got there and started talking to people I found all of the rumors I had of the place beforehand to be either unfounded or no longer true.

That said, they were aware of the rumors, and many people there, to include staff members, conceeded they had heard the same stories at one point or another.

The actual school has turned out to have a very friendly atmosphere with a lot of effort put into making us feel welcome and better prepared for the challenges ahead.

Of course, it's barely been a week, but hopefully that impression will continue to hold.

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L.L.M. Board / Univ San Francisco versus Hastings
« on: August 17, 2005, 12:53:08 PM »
I started at USF yesterday, with orientation classes, but I got up this morning to a phone call from UC Hastings asking me to come in, I'm off the waiting list and they want me to start classes -tomorrow-.

Hastings ranks in the top 100, and USF is somewhere in the 150...

That might make it easy, save that Hastings is doing cosntruction for the next few years and may or may not even have a law library right now. I've also heard rumors that students there are very hostile to each other - even going as far as shredding each other's siezed notebooks. USF by contrast has facilities built in the last five years with a law library large enough to fit twice the entire student body, a lot of progressive social activism (and I am left leaning), very active and helpful alumni as well as student groups, and is generally, a 'friendly' campus.

One of these turns out 'scrappy' lawyers that are good in a 'pit fight' and the other 'mediators' that are good at solving problems.

I know Hasting's ranking at 22 or 23 in the nation or thereabouts, but not exactly for USF - I do know USF has one of the few 'maritime law' specialities on the west coast if not the nation, and is very well set in the fields of IP and International law.

My interests are in criminal law, international law, or civil rights law...



I've got to make a choice fast, and I doubt anyone will even read this before I'm already done with this, but I had to vent and I've just finished with the list of relatives. Maybe one of you -will- see this before I make my choice and have an opinion with some facts beyond just the 'rumors' I've heard of each... :)

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Univ San Francisco versus Hastings
« on: August 23, 2005, 08:28:20 PM »
You may want to have a change of attitude before showing up at a school you have made such a generalized criticism of.  I have met many prestigious Hastings alummni, and by no means consider them "scrappy"
Those were, as I believe I stated, comments made to me about the school.

Scrappy - as in litigators / loners. I had heard the school had a very hostile presence in and among its students. Its a common enough comment that I when I did go down there after making the initial post I even heard it from staff and students there.

Though they had the slant of 'yeah, we've heard that said, but it isn't true or is no longer true'.



In the end, I did go with Hastings.

Why? Largely because all of the negatives I had heard about it did not seem true once I got there. The staff and fellow students I have met have all been very positive people and I see a lot of community at the school. Three of the focuses offered have strong appeal for me (public interest, international, and family law). The program looks solid. One of the first people I met on entering campus was involved with the alumni and from him I got a very different take from the rumors I had heard before.


I'm not at all worried about my standing with regards to my LSAT and GPA. My LSAT is notably above the average of Hastings, and my GPA would be as well if not for mistakes I made in the late 80s that still plague my record - since coming back to school as an older student I have been consistantly a top performer. Even as a youth I was mentally there, but being homeless along with related factors had a way of keeping me from actually getting into class regularly enough...

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Where should I go next fall? / Univ San Francisco versus Hastings
« on: August 17, 2005, 12:49:39 PM »
I started at USF yesterday, with orientation classes, but I got up this morning to a phone call from UC Hastings asking me to come in, I'm off the waiting list and they want me to start classes -tomorrow-.

Hastings ranks in the top 100, and USF is somewhere in the 150...

That might make it easy, save that Hastings is doing cosntruction for the next few years and may or may not even have a law library right now. I've also heard rumors that students there are very hostile to each other - even going as far as shredding each other's siezed notebooks. USF by contrast has facilities built in the last five years with a law library large enough to fit twice the entire student body, a lot of progressive social activism (and I am left leaning), very active and helpful alumni as well as student groups, and is generally, a 'friendly' campus.

One of these turns out 'scrappy' lawyers that are good in a 'pit fight' and the other 'mediators' that are good at solving problems.

I know Hasting's ranking at 22 or 23 in the nation or thereabouts, but not exactly for USF - I do know USF has one of the few 'maritime law' specialities on the west coast if not the nation, and is very well set in the fields of IP and International law.

My interests are in criminal law, international law, or civil rights law...



I've got to make a choice fast, and I doubt anyone will even read this before I'm already done with this, but I had to vent and I've just finished with the list of relatives. Maybe one of you -will- see this before I make my choice and have an opinion with some facts beyond just the 'rumors' I've heard of each... :)

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Where should I go next fall? / Just got my LSAT, now what / where?
« on: July 02, 2004, 03:39:15 PM »
I just got my score, a 167.

Now I've got to sit down and think about where to apply - here in or around San Francisco, or try to sneak my way into one of those schools on my dream list on the East Coast (Harvard - yeah right, the two in NYC I can never remember the exact names of, and so on).

The big issue for me is my GPA.
I spent the nineties taking oddball evening classes to support my 'dot-commer' fix, and had some wild idea of getting a Computer Science degree at one point - which cut me down quite a bit.

I've got a 3.77 at the university I attend -SFSU, where I expect to graduate in december- but it drops to 3.11 when I add in my Junior College days... :o

Hopefully by December I'll pull that 3.11 up a little more.

So I suspect my reality choices are Hastings, SFU, and that sort - my dream choices are everybody's dream choices: Stanford, Berkeley, Harvard. But even as a Native American that's a dream, but it's about time to wake up and see what's really out there... 8)

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