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Ok, I've heard that theory, and it's always sounded odd to me, but I don't know enough about it to make any further comments.  However, wouldn't it be easier to fix this problem and change the LSAT than to keep using a problematic system like AA? 

"just because a person is on the same level economically does not mean that other variables have been eliminated that unfairly inhibit students from performing optimally on standardized tests."

If you could explain that statement. 

Do you care to explain how educational opportunities are inhibited soley on the basis of race?  I don't really see how this works.  If the minority is able to afford to go the the same type of school as the white, then what is inhibiting him or her (academically speaking)?

Well, first of all, I didn't understand what you were getting at when you described the economic affirmative action problems.  I was hoping you could describe the problems in another way.  Maybe I could see what you were getting at if you used different words. 

The point that I was trying to get at with the girl i knew was that she had very similar numbers as the white people at my school (i had a prodominately white school, so she was the only minority in the top 10%), but yet she got into a MUCH better school than the rest of us.  I can't prove definitively that she wouldn't have gotten in anyway, but it does give the appearance that her race had something to do with it. 

Well first off, I don't think I have to remember every specific detail of her application to know that even she felt her situation wasn't fair. 

Also, again, I didn't understand what you were asking.  What are you asking if I admit to agreeing to? 

Visits, Admit Days, and Open Houses / Re: Normal People
« on: August 04, 2006, 01:15:35 PM »
I wouldn't call a 161 low.  It's 85th percentile.  It's not t14 quality but nothing to be embarassed about. 

She ended up going where she got a merit-based scholarship.  She didn't have a ton of money so she needed the scholarship, just wanted one for other reasons than race.  If memory serves me correct she went to Northwestern instead.  There really is no telling if she got into that school off merit alone or because of AA because acceptance letters don't really specify as far as I know. 

Visits, Admit Days, and Open Houses / Normal People
« on: August 04, 2006, 12:48:15 PM »
I keep looking at people's profiles on LSN and everyone has stinkin high LSAT scores.  Is there anyone who made low 160's or upper 150's??  If so, where did you get in?  I have a 161 LSAT and 3.75 GPA and I'm not finding many people similar to me in numbers....

She thought that she could get in on her own merit.  It's like me applying to a target school.  That was her target school.  Her scholarship letter was for a minority scholarship so she turned it down because she felt that affirmative action is wrong, not because of her peers.  And, sticking up for your convictions is noble. 

The reason why I would be ok with economic affirmative actions is because yes, people who have money do have better opportunity to do well on things like standardized tests.  Race, if there is equal opportunity, doesn't inhibit you from doing well on a test if races do have equal capability (which i believe we all do).  As far as character, I think that we all have character building experiences no matter what race we are.  I also came from a high school that really wasn't accepting of Christians at times.  I got picked on a lot when I was younger because I held firm to Christian ideals.  However, these types of discrimination aren't looked at.  I think that character is race neutral, either you have it or you don't.  There are social stigmas for everyone these days, just in different forms (though you probably do have a better perspective on that that I do). 

We don't agree about the girl I knew in high school.  She was very bright, as were many people from my school.  She also knew that the advantage she was getting wasn't fair, and turning that opportunity down took a TON of that character you've been talking about.  Doing the right thing isn't always the most advantagious to yourself.  Oh, and explain to me how it is telling that I can't remember specifics?  I remember her saying "i turned it down because it wasn't a fair way to get it."  That's not all that hard to remember.  It is hard to remember how many community service hours she had, or who wrote a letter of reccomendation.  It just seemed normal compared to everyone else. 

I think we should eliminate affirmative action simply because I truely believe that the problems will fix themselves if we address the other problems causing the issue.  But, at the time being, reverse discrimination isn't the answer.

As far as answering your comments on economic affirmative action, I honestly had trouble understanding what you were meaning (i don't mean that sarcastically at all).  Could you paraphrase it again? 

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