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thanks so much for the advice guys, i will definitely follow it. my class was definitely under the impression that diagramming was the best first approach to any arguments with trigger words, but hopefully i'm now going to be less of a confused/frustrated robot and more of a thinker when it comes to LR. thanks!!

i took testmasters last year, and i always felt that the biggest flaw in their method was that my instructor (maybe different from other TM instructors) ALWAYS made us diagram, and emphasized that as the first method even for seemingly un-diagrammable arguments.  that definitely got me into a robotic rather than conceptual way of approaching the LR, which i'm trying to overcome the habit of doing this time around because i'm much more comfortable digesting concepts than with symbols/arrows, but of course, time is an issue and i know sometimes diagrams are indeed the best way to work through these.  does anyone have any advice on how to identify when it's best to try to digest a statement conceptually vs. know it's worth it to diagram it in order to be time efficient in LR?  please let me know, thanks!!

Studying for the LSAT / Re: Testmasters Lesson 10 HW
« on: September 01, 2006, 11:54:50 AM »
For 5F questions, keep in mind that they're really just like 4F questions except you have to not only be able identify, but apply the flawed reasoning you see in the stimulus.  Here's what I try to do:

1) put the logical reasoning into abstract terms (i.e. the author assumes what he sets out to prove)
2) keeping that in mind, see if any of the answers fit that same abstract description you just made
3) OR, use the good/bad test that testmasters taught you - although i admittedly find that to be of limited help.

if that doesn't work, you should resort to diagramming - although I know, like you said, that can be tough to do.  But if they're really your pitfall, it's not that big of a deal because they only make up a small portion of the LR - so it might be wise for you to skip a 5F question (particularly one you have to diagram) and then come back to it when you're done with the section. 

also, i sometimes find that 5Fs can be answered correctly through process of elimination. if you just skim through the answers, sometimes the answers are structured so dissimilarly to the stimulus (in terms of reasoning, not necessarily phrasing) that you know what DEFINITELY can't be the right answer... and hopefully this will leave you with 1 or 2 answers left, which then you can diagram.

hope this helps!

Studying for the LSAT / for anyone in Testmasters: Extra diagnostics?
« on: August 28, 2006, 05:12:23 PM »
Is anyone who's currently taking testmasters also taking extra diagnostics that are not provided by testmasters? If so - do you have any books to recommend that don't overlap with course materials? Also - does anyone know about how extensive all the homeworks are in terms of the total amount of practice tests we will have taken by the end of this course (not including the proctored/supplemental diagnostics)?  Thanks!

Studying for the LSAT / Re: Numerical Distribution Technique?
« on: August 26, 2006, 08:34:30 PM »
thanks so much - it was exactly what i was looking for and was really helpful. just 2 quick questions:
1) after seeing the 9-1-1-1, why did you not jump to 9-1-2-0? And why does that possibility (even though I'm aware that it would be eliminated anyway) not come up in the list as you did it?
2) how did you know, for instance, to jump from the 5-3-3-1 possibility to the 4-4-3-1 without decreasing the second "3" in the "5-3-3-1" so that it would become 5-2-4-1 ? Or was that somethign you instantly recognized would repeat a previous distribution, and decided to just skip it and resume with decreasing the farthest left #?  Basically, how do you decide to move on from trying all different combinations with that farthest left # and move on to the next step of decreasing it (in this case, from 5 to 4)? 

i might just be imposing my original confused and inefficient way of doing numerical distribution onto your organized method - but I definitely need to clear it up and anything you could offer would be of tremendous help (although your first explanation is great as it is)!

Studying for the LSAT / Numerical Distribution Technique?
« on: August 26, 2006, 01:45:14 PM »
Hey guys,
I was wondering if someone could explain how to systematically/efficiently figure out a numerical distribution- I tend to just stare at the paper and figure out which numbers I haven't used yet.  Sometimes I can see the pattern, but at other times I often lose track of what I've already written, and what I have yet to figure out.  If possible, could you explain to me how you'd figure the example below out step by step in your head? (Ex: start with the highest # on teh left, then decrease by 1, etc. etc.)

Below are two sets of variables, and the variables in the first set must be distributed amogn variables in the second set. Use the conditions to figure out the numerical distribution:
First set: 12 books
Second set: 4 shelves
Conditions: There must be an odd number of books on each shelf.

Just in case you want to check- here's the answer, but I would like to know how you got there step by step, and how you knew what to do next after each distribution/eliminating a possibility:


Studying for the LSAT / LR Question
« on: August 21, 2006, 06:51:19 PM »
This summer, Jennifer, who has worked at KVZ Manufacturing for just over 3 years, plans to spend with her family the entire four weeks of paid vacation to which she is entitled this year. Anyone who has worked at KVZ for between one and four years is automatically entitled to exactly 3 weeks paid vacation each year but can apply up to half of any vacation time that remains unused at the end of one year to teh next year's vacation.

Q: If the statements above are true, which one of the following must also be true on the basis of them?

A) Jennifer did not use two weeks of the paid vacation time to which she was entitled last year.
B) If Jennifer continues to work for KVZ, she will only be entitled to three weeks paid vacation next year.
C) The majority of KVZ's employees use each year all of the paid vacation time to which they are entitled.
D) Last year Jennifer took only one week of the paid vacation time to which she was entitled. 
E) KVZ Manufacturing sometimes allows extra vacation time to employees who need to spend more time with their families.

Correct Answer: A
Aside from explaining how A is even a good answer, can someone also please explain to me how A and D are even different? I may be burnt out with studying for the day, but I am super confused as to how those two answer choices are different - don't they both say that she used 1 week, and did not use two weeks???. Doesn't it make more sense that she used 2 out of the 3 weeks last year, and added that 1 extra unused week to this year's vacation to make it a total of 4 for this year with her family? I'm so confused... thanks!

Hey guys - this question is for anyone enrolled in TM:

my teacher always emphasizes circling the realm of possibilities when you recognize conditions governed by the Not Both or the 'Either or' rules when doing logic games.  So for instance, in a set of Not Both rules, she always has us circle the negated Necessary sides whereas in a set of Either/or rules, she has us circle the negated Sufficient sides. Does anyone know what the point of this is? i have yet to really use this... does anyone know what the importance of it is, and if it helps us in the games at all? Thanks!

Studying for the LSAT / Re: "Most" vs. "Some" Rules in TM Drills
« on: August 21, 2006, 03:40:40 PM »
thanks guys, this definitely all really helps! although it's going to take me a bit to digest it all...

Studying for the LSAT / "Most" vs. "Some" Rules in TM Drills
« on: August 20, 2006, 01:07:29 PM »
I am so horrible at drawing proper conclusions especially when "most" and "some" statements are given together, (whether it's most-most, some-some, most-some, etc.).  Does anyone have any hintful rules or clues to help me understnd the concept better so that I know when i can't draw a valid conclusion, and when i can??? please help! thanks

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