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General Off-Topic Board / Re: Do you belive in the Devil
« on: June 21, 2007, 11:46:08 AM »
no, you're just a boring pompous jackass.

I apologize for boring and annoying you.

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General Off-Topic Board / Re: Do you belive in the Devil
« on: June 21, 2007, 11:37:41 AM »
I seek to hold as many reasonable beliefs as I may which will undoubtedly come off as "pompous" to those who prefer lunch to reason.

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General Off-Topic Board / Re: Do you belive in the Devil
« on: June 21, 2007, 11:20:58 AM »
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Don't argue dingo on this point.  He's right here.  Of course God could have a reason to allow evil.  Argue with him on his original argument, which was idiotic.

What don't you like about my moral argument? Start with your least favorite element. Please be as clear and precise as you may.

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General Off-Topic Board / Re: Do you belive in the Devil
« on: June 21, 2007, 11:19:01 AM »
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What do you say to Hume's design argument?

In order for you to properly evaluate my response to Hume you must first know what Hume is saying. I don't know whether or not you understand Hume since anyone can copy and paste from wikipedia. In the interest of fruitful discussion, please represent Hume's argument in your own words. I will then respond to what you write. Consider this move a way to reduce potential confusion.

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General Off-Topic Board / Re: Do you belive in the Devil
« on: June 21, 2007, 11:11:57 AM »
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For Dingo, trying to prove that God does exist, you're going to fail.

I'm not trying to prove God's existence. But I will argue that his existence is more probable than not. If, for example, any moral or cosmological or design argument for God is both valid and sound, and there are many for each kind and many more kinds still, then it is more reasonable than not to think God is real.

To clarify, if we start on the question of God with a blank slate then if a single argument for God is both valid and sound then we are justified at that point in our search to think God is real since we would by then have a preponderance of the evidence in God's favor.

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General Off-Topic Board / Re: Do you belive in the Devil
« on: June 21, 2007, 11:09:03 AM »
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1. the underlined claim is nonsense.  burden of proof is on you.

What do I have the burden to prove, exactly?

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General Off-Topic Board / Re: Do you belive in the Devil
« on: June 21, 2007, 11:07:21 AM »
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1.      The attributes of God are not consistent with the existence of evil

This line says God cannot possibly have a morally sufficient reason for allowing evil. The defender need only say to this: how so? Wrestle with this "how so?" for a while then let me know what you come up with.

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General Off-Topic Board / Re: Do you belive in the Devil
« on: June 21, 2007, 11:03:47 AM »
I'm familiar with Hume's criticisms of arguments from design to God and unmoved by them.

If we lack warrant to believe the laws of nature and random chance explain the formation of something so simple as a single nucleoside then an inference to design from the overwhelmingly more complex human genome is quite reasonable.

We can say a lot more about design but I think we're already plenty busy talking about the problem of evil and the moral argument I put forward.

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General Off-Topic Board / Re: Do you belive in the Devil
« on: June 21, 2007, 10:52:35 AM »
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Suffering is the one universal "bad."  HTH.

Do you mean by this that everyone everywhere always dislikes suffering? Please clarify.

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General Off-Topic Board / Re: Do you belive in the Devil
« on: June 21, 2007, 10:48:26 AM »

And, this is the argument that led me to stop tything.

The Problem of Evil
1.      If God exists, then the attributes of God are consistent with the existence of evil.

1.      The attributes of God are not consistent with the existence of evil.

1.      Therefore, God does not and cannot exist.


There are at least two good answers to the problem of evil: the unknown purpose defense and the free will defense. The first essentially says if it is possible that God has a morally sufficient reason to allow evil then it is false that God's existence is incompatible with evil. Since it is true that God may have a morally sufficient reason to allow evil, his existence is compatible with evil. The burden lies with the advocate of the problem of evil to show that God cannot have a morally sufficient reason to allow evil generally or some specific evil in particular. But since he can't possibly know whether God has a morally sufficient reason to allow evil, he can't show that God cannot have a morally sufficient reason to allow evil and so the problem of evil fails as an argument against the existence of God.

Alvin Plantinga defeated the problem of evil thirty years ago with his book "God, Freedom and Evil" in which he articulates the free will defense. Atheists and other non-theists in academia have essentially abandoned the problem of evil as a result.

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