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I think it just really depends on who is doing the recruiting.  Firms generally, but more importantly, recruiters and hiring committee members, may or may not care about "pedigree."  For the last few years at my firm, the people in charge have emphasized ivy league undergrad paired with T14 law school.  It seems these are the 1Ls we invite to firm events, etc. w/ the hope that they'll come back to interview as 2Ls.

Does it mean these people automatically get jobs here?  No.  As we all know, going to HYP means almost nothing when it comes to law school grades.  Grades and journal membership are the great equalizer/

(caveat - I'm not on the hiring committee, so this is my understanding from convos w/ hiring committee members, our recruiting staff, and observation on who we give SA offers to).

My firm looks at undergrad school.  Those from Ivy League undergrads going to T14 schools are labeled "superstars" and I think are often given preferential treatment.  (at least, that's how is has been in years past)

Current Law Students / Re: Question for 2l and 3L
« on: August 03, 2009, 07:23:56 PM »
Everyone works differently, so no need to flame anyone for their opinion.

I'll follow up Thane's opinion with another of my own - I was the complete opposite end of the spectrum.  I rarely found supplements useful.  I used one regularly for perhaps 3 classes (fed courts, crim law which was written by the casebook author, and trusts and estates).  I did find study materials helpful (like E&Es and books with sample essay questions and answers - although real ones are always best).  I used these primarily as exam prep though, and not as a substitute for reading.

I also think you read cases for more reasons than just "understand[ing] a single point of law."  Cases are especially important as a 1L because you not only learn the single rule of law at issue, but you learn how to parse out facts - what's important and what isn't.  You also learn how to spot policy arguments in cases and begin to understand how courts use those policy arguments.

Anyway, people tend to love or hate the case method.  I love it for what it is - I learned the fundamentals of being a lawyer (or at least a litigator).  Did I learn how to actually practice law?  Not so much, but that's a different opinion for a different post.

Current Law Students / Re: Question for 2l and 3L
« on: August 01, 2009, 01:17:29 PM »
I bought new my first semester, and never did so again unless there was no other option (i.e. book just published or new edition).

And you may not have the option as a first semester 1L, but to the extent that you can, get book lists early and buy on or a similar site.  Used in the bookstore is a ripoff.  I found most sellers were pretty accurate in describing condition and when it said minimal highlighting, there was only minimal highlighting.

I book briefed and took pretty detailed notes from the reading in my laptop and buying used never really bothered me.

Oh, and one word of advice if you do buy any book new:  If you're not huge on highlighting in lots of color, stick to yellow and do any book briefing in pencil.  You book remains more valuable if you sell it independently (NEVER sell back to the book store - you get pennies back on the dollar it seems).

Job Search / Re: the unmovable date- advice and perspective needed
« on: July 15, 2009, 04:29:47 AM »
Most summer jobs are 12 weeks max. Flexibility depends on where you are working - some firms have a few start dates to choose from, others just have one start date. Even then, there may be some flexibility if you talk to them. Generally, I would say August would be a good time to get married.

Beginning of August is especially good - most summer programs have either ended, but even if they haven't, leaving one week early for something big like getting married won't make an impact provided you've done a good job, etc.  And early August is generally before OCI heats up.  I got married early August summer of 2L and it worked perfectly.

Granted, the honeymoon had to wait for a year, and we took an extended honeymoon/bar trip, but it was almost worth it to wait!

Job Search / Re: US Attorney's Office
« on: June 29, 2009, 03:32:30 PM »
I think there are a lot of reasons people don't ask.  Some people forget, just like their supervisors.  Once they move onto the next project, they don't look back to what they've finished.  Other people really are intimidated to ask.  There are people who probably think if there was anything overly negative or positive to say, then their supervisor would come and tell them.  And I'm sure there are at least a few people out there who just are afraid of getting any negative feedback so they avoid it.

Job Search / Re: US Attorney's Office
« on: June 29, 2009, 04:28:58 AM »
Congrats, Lovebutton.

The summer's first six weeks:
Positive --  there's an unending work supply so I can take on as much as I can handle. 
Negative -- little to no feedback on written work.

A positive or negative, depending on your perspective: I've done little to no work on the investigative side.  Everything is strictly research, legal analysis, and writing.

This evidently changes when you complete 50 hrs (I believe) of legal coursework.  You then become eligible to go into court, at which point you'll get more involved with investigations.

Re: your negative, don't be afraid to ASK for feedback.  I've seen so many people, myself included, afraid or hesitant to ask their supervisors for feedback for a variety  of reasons, when in most cases, supervisors are happy to take a few minutes to give some kind of feedback if they're reminded to do it.

Current Law Students / Re: Expunged misdemeanor question....??
« on: June 19, 2009, 04:17:22 AM »
I think Edin has it - the arrest and the conviction are two different things.

I would recommend calling the state bar admissions office and asking them.  They can tell you what they'll need for the bar exam.

As for the effect if you have to report it - well, obviously larceny isn't something you want associated with you when it comes to having your character and fitness judged.  It taints trust and honesty.  However, it was 4 years ago and if you've gotten it expunged, and you've likely stayed out of trouble and completed whatever it was you had to do for being convicted, you should be able to put some distance between now and the conviction. 

Also, think about activities you can get involved with in law school that may be able to show that you're reliable and trustworthy now, so when you do apply for the bar, you can show that you've grown past who you were in 2005 and have learned from your mistakes.

My impression is that if you are accepted to transfer to a higher-ranked school, a lot of schools will offer you more money to try to get you to stay, but that they won't up the ante unless there is actually a credible threat of you leaving. Might not be worth the trouble to apply to transfer just to find out if they will up your scholarship, but I believe that is generally your best shot.

Agreed.  You really need that transfer acceptance in hand in most cases.  It's annoying, and I think it rewards the wrong behavior, but it's the way it is.

Current Law Students / Re: Briefs
« on: June 17, 2009, 02:41:31 PM »
I've never been able to find any great resources like that online.  I've always found that the best place to look is where you're interning/working.  Maybe ask another younger attorney or a mentor (if you have one) whether there are any old briefs on file that you can check yours against for format, etc.

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