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After sitting on the interviewer's side of the desk this year, I can say that for me, email is just fine.  Substance is more important than form - DO NOT have any typos or grammatical errors!

Current Law Students / Re: RomLaw
« on: August 27, 2009, 04:13:58 AM »
My reaction?  Meh.  As a poor law student, that still wouldn't be worth the $$ for me.  But I think it depends on whether you are using these briefs as a complete substitute for reading, which is something I never did.

Current Law Students / Re: RomLaw
« on: August 26, 2009, 07:48:37 PM »
If you have free Lexis/Westlaw access through school, I don't see how this adds to anything.  Lexis has the short case synopsis on most cases, and Westlaw has Black's.  I guess it just depends on 1) how much you feel your time is worth (I was fine looking up the handful of cases for each class to copy/paste the Lexis outline in my notes), and 2) how much you think their supplemental stuff is worth.  You can get the most popular supplements pretty cheap if you buy them used online, and can usually sell them back for about what you paid.

Current Law Students / Re: Class Scheduling
« on: August 23, 2009, 12:47:48 PM »
I'd pick mock trial--this makes a bullet point on your resume rather than a line in your transcript.  Many of the firms I signed up to interview with had "Jounal, moot court, or mock trial preferred" in their criteria.  None had "Crim Pro preferred."

The problem is the OP indicated that he/she wants a job doing criminal work (didn't specify defense or prosecution).  Mock trial will be extremely helpful, but having a transcript with no crim pro classes may stand out as a large transcript gap for those types of position.

Current Law Students / Re: Class Scheduling
« on: August 18, 2009, 04:14:30 AM »
If you can swing it, take crim pro (if your school splits it into crim pro I, II, etc., I'm talking about investigation/constitutional crim pro).  Other crim law classes aren't all that important.  But don't ditch mock trial to do so.

Job Search / Re: Question on call back interviews
« on: August 13, 2009, 07:32:17 PM »
1.  Wear a suit.  It's still an interview.  This shouldn't even be a question.

2.  You show up in the morning (most likely), you will meet with likely 4-6 attorneys.  You will definitely meet with a partner or two, likely some senior and midlevel associates, and maybe juniors.  You may get a list of people who you will meet with - take the time to look them up on the website to find out a little about them - what practice group, any thing you have in common, etc.

3.  You'll be asked interview questions.  Some attorneys, who may be more old school, will ask the classic annoying interview questions (strengths, weaknesses, etc.).  You will absolutely be asked what type of law you want to practice, and you will be asked what you're looking for in a firm.  You may be asked about law review/moot court/mock trial, if you're involved.  You may be asked about classes.  You may be asked about hobbies or interests.

4.  You need to be prepared with questions to ask.  Do your homework.  And DO NOT ask the same 2-3 questions of each interviewer.  The attorneys who you meet with will all compare notes at hiring committee meetings, and asking the same 3 questions will ensure you do not receive an offer.

5.  You may/likely will go out to lunch afterwards, usually with either two more junior associates or a partner and an associate.  Even if it seems more casual, don't kid yourself - it's still part of the interview.  You need to be personable, likeable, etc., but don't let your guard down.

Current Law Students / Re: 3rd year of LS = unnecessary?
« on: August 13, 2009, 07:24:55 PM »
In my view third year should be clinical, externships, getting some real world practice. There really is no other reason for the third year than tradition, lawyers love tradition even if itís pointless and outdated like the Socratic and case method, itís how they had to do it so it how you have to do it. :egal education evolves at a glacial pace.

Agreed.  Third year should = learning how to practice.

And I think I remember seeing a link on Above the Law that said the ABA was discussing making LS FOUR years.   ::)  Because law students really need that additional year of debt, I suppose.

I'll begin by saying that each LR or journal is run differently...

But coming up with a "unique" point of view or argument is stupid for LR.  It may be possible that graders are given the freedom to judge however they want and just give high scores to submissions they like.  You end up with inconsistency among graders, however.  It's more likely that graders have an outline that tells them how many points they can allocate for specific things/points, and then a chunk of points for grammar, clarity, etc.

When I graded submissions, I came across only one paper that was so stellar that *despite* missing most of the points that we were looking for, I recommended an invitation for journal.  Most people that tried to "think outside the box" merely came across as missing the point, no matter how clearly and well structured they were while doing so.  Therefore, I DO NOT recommend that you get the creative juices flowing for law review write on.  It worked out for the last poster, but it's rare. 

And for the's way late, as you're already done, but if anyone else stumbles across this thread:  If citations are confusing, you need to stop what you're doing and take a breath.  The bluebook and citations aren't that hard.  If you can identify the what it is you are citing, you go to the index, find it, and slowly and methodically follow the examples in the bluebook.  It's rare to find something that isn't in there.  If the authors of the citation problems have put something *that* complex on there, then don't stress about it, because everyone else will be struggling just as much.

Current Law Students / Re: How many credits to take with Law Review?
« on: August 13, 2009, 04:16:42 AM »
100% agree.  Take the least amount of credits possible. 

Job Search / Re: I didn't get an offer from my summer employer...
« on: August 11, 2009, 03:28:52 PM »
Now you put in for 3L OCI, if there is any.  And you start networking your ass off at bar events, alumi events, etc.

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