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Columbia if you can swing about $20k from them. UVa is arguably (along with Boalt) the worst T10 school for BIGLAW. That said, it still is an amazing school and you will get an amazing experience. If you really hate NYC and get offered money from Columbia, then still go to UVa, but your career options will be better coming from CLS - no doubt about that.

why so?

Placement? UVa allows pre-screening and Boalt's strength is more in PI. In any event, they are both great schools and being at the bottom of the T10 in terms of BIGLAW placement in nothing to be ashamed about. But UVa's class size, along with pre-screening, 25th percentile starting salary, and a crappy experience by XO'ers getting jobs at OCI last year at UVa lead me to believe it is at the bottom of the class for T10 schools.

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Columbia if you can swing about $20k from them. UVa is arguably (along with Boalt) the worst T10 school for BIGLAW. That said, it still is an amazing school and you will get an amazing experience. If you really hate NYC and get offered money from Columbia, then still go to UVa, but your career options will be better coming from CLS - no doubt about that.
I doubt i'll get any $ from Columbia. NYC is not the best place to live for me but i'm sure i could get used to it. Actually my grandmother and some other relatives live there so it wouldn't be that bad. I'm just concerned about the huge debt load i'd be getting into with CLS. Then again the career prospects would be better... the question is how much better? 60 K better?

That depends. Are you a prestige whore? If so, then you have to quantify prestige. However, the only firm in the country that pays better than the jobs you'll get from UVa is Wachtell and coming from either school it is a stretch (however, note that Wachtell interviews at CLS and NOT UVa). But picking a school based on working at Wachtell is silly.

Anyways, the job options won't technically be 60k better because you will make the same amount of money wherever you go from either school, at least at the beginning. But it would be easier to get a more prestigious firm coming from CLS than UVa.

EDIT: CLS is also more than $60k more expensive if you take into account COL. However, depending on what floats your boat, this could be offset by the QOL (to some, UVa has the best QOL and to others if you aren't in NYC you aren't really living, so this against depends on personal preferences).

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Columbia if you can swing about $20k from them. UVa is arguably (along with Boalt) the worst T10 school for BIGLAW. That said, it still is an amazing school and you will get an amazing experience. If you really hate NYC and get offered money from Columbia, then still go to UVa, but your career options will be better coming from CLS - no doubt about that.

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Hey guys I was wondering if anybody was familiar with these three schools and could give me some advice on who has the better program.  Right now I am leaning towards Villanova just because the area that it is in seems really cool.  After law school I plan to return to Houston and work at a large law firm here unless I really like it up north, but even then I will prob. return to Houston. Oh and I don't think I have any scholarships at any of the three schools.  I was seating on Hofstra two days ago and in the past 2 days got excepted to all three of these.  Any help would be great.

If you want to work in Houston, these are the wrong school choices. The question really comes down to Ohio v. Philly v. Pitts and where you want to live when you graduate. If the answer is Houston, go to UHouston or something similar.

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Top 10 Most Underrated Law Schools
« on: April 21, 2007, 11:42:53 AM »
Hastings is a public school that feeds directly into one of the largest legal markets in the country...should be on the list.

I'd like to think what people think about Boston College possibly being on the list?

I think BC should be on that list. I applied to it over BU because from all my research it historically and when I was applying currently seemed like the better law school. Though downtown Boston is probably more fun, BC has the name recognition across the country, the more historical program, and, aside from BU gaming the rankings by cutting down its class size, there would be no way it would be ranked ahead of BC.

I don't know about BC...I think it's probably ranked pretty appropriately...it's a fine school but I work in Boston and although it's incredibly well-respected here, can you honestly say that it deserves to be bumped above very many of the schools currently ranked above it? Personally, i don't think so.   But I'm just basing that on a feeling, not facts.

Yes, I can. It should be ranked above BU.

Hmmm, see I would have said that BU is more portable in other markets....I know it does better in NYC.

That's alwasy been what I have heard from lawyers here anyway, that if you want to go to school in Boston but work somewhere else...and are choosing between BC and BU, choose BU.

I think they are pretty equal though, all things considered.

Until a few years ago, that was not the case at all and if that is the case now it is only because BU drastically cut down on its class size. BC is the second best law school in the Boston area, they just need to start gaming U.S. News like BU did.

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Top 10 Most Underrated Law Schools
« on: April 21, 2007, 10:32:01 AM »
Hastings is a public school that feeds directly into one of the largest legal markets in the country...should be on the list.

I'd like to think what people think about Boston College possibly being on the list?

I think BC should be on that list. I applied to it over BU because from all my research it historically and when I was applying currently seemed like the better law school. Though downtown Boston is probably more fun, BC has the name recognition across the country, the more historical program, and, aside from BU gaming the rankings by cutting down its class size, there would be no way it would be ranked ahead of BC.

I don't know about BC...I think it's probably ranked pretty appropriately...it's a fine school but I work in Boston and although it's incredibly well-respected here, can you honestly say that it deserves to be bumped above very many of the schools currently ranked above it? Personally, i don't think so.   But I'm just basing that on a feeling, not facts.

Yes, I can. It should be ranked above BU.

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Top 10 Most Underrated Law Schools
« on: April 20, 2007, 11:32:31 PM »
Hastings is a public school that feeds directly into one of the largest legal markets in the country...should be on the list.

I'd like to think what people think about Boston College possibly being on the list?

I think BC should be on that list. I applied to it over BU because from all my research it historically and when I was applying currently seemed like the better law school. Though downtown Boston is probably more fun, BC has the name recognition across the country, the more historical program, and, aside from BU gaming the rankings by cutting down its class size, there would be no way it would be ranked ahead of BC.

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hmm, i can see how this collegiality could be a problem- dancerina and i have been on IM distracting each other for 2 hours each of the past 3 nights.  i am officially going to fail out of Penn if this keeps up

No - you will officially fit in.

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And deedee, before you judge me too harshly, you might notice a good portion of my posts consist of me vacillating a little bit.  Which actually isn't surprising.  I'll probably still change my mind a few times in the next 10 days.

I was just teasin, ya know. But you can't turn into one of those CLS peeps who hates on Penn, for real. Though, I think we're an odd bunch for LSD, if any of us stick around next year we'll all have known each other on here for too long to seriously bash each other's schools (I hope).

hehe, very true.  But I found that there was much more CLS hate at Penn than vice versa.

Well, the people who pick Penn over CLS do it despite CLS being ranked higher and presumably better for job prospects, so they pick Penn for a reason. People who have made this choice seem willing to express why they did and usually they do have something negative to say about Columbia, but, let's face it, when you pick a school it usually is because there is something you didn't like about another option. I wouldn't say the student body goes around Columbia bashing all day!

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Penn vs. Chicago
« on: April 18, 2007, 11:49:45 AM »
The respective "trolling" in this thread has become quite ridiculous. 

What is this, XOXO?! 

 ;)

You're so right. Let me go back to LSD mode:

Taking Vandy full-ride over Columbia is fine! They are both REALLY GOOD schools; you're not crazy! All these schools are about equal! Plus, you'll do better where you're happiest!

HAHAHA. Sweet.

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