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Black Law Students / Re: How Come...?
« on: January 31, 2008, 05:48:31 PM »
how come im so glad LOST is back!!!

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Black Law Students / Re: Black Law Student Discussion Board
« on: January 31, 2008, 05:40:20 PM »
so let the games begin....while i've heard all the stories about hollywood joe and the 69 jets....i'm going with the Pats

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Black Law Students / Re: Post Your Interesting News Articles Here
« on: January 31, 2008, 05:36:25 PM »
lol dude im so over this but really you posted one thing in all your many posts that advocates personal responsibility...id don't know if it can even count with all your posts since....LOL but anyway how bout them Phils....

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Black Law Students / Re: Post Your Interesting News Articles Here
« on: January 31, 2008, 01:44:17 PM »
strawman my nut-s Mets fans  ;D ;D ;D:


Feliz completes Phils’ infield

Philadelphia Daily News

Daily News Staff Report
The Phillies already had the last two National League Most Valuable Players in their infield, with shortstop Jimmy Rollins and first baseman Ryan Howard.

And they had an All-Star and MVP candidate at second base in Chase Utley.

Now, they have filled the hole at third with the acquisition of free-agent third basemen Pedro Feliz.

The Phillies formally introduced Feliz today at Citizens Bank Park after he passed a physical and finalized a 2-year deal with an option for 2010 worth $8.5 million with performance and award bonuses.

"I'm really happy to be here in the organization," the righthanded-hitting Feliz, 32, said at a news conference. "I'm really excited to be in Philadelphia. I think it's going to be great to be in an infield with Rollins, Utley and Ryan Howard. I think it's going to be fun."

On the plus side, Feliz hit 20 homers - his fourth consecutive season with at least 20 homers - and drove in 72 runs last year. He hit .310 with runners in scoring position and his .973 fielding percentage was the best among all National League third basemen last season.

The drawbacks: Feliz had only 29 walks last season (while striking out 70 times) and has a career .288 on-base percentage. He also had just two stolen bases. And it's just a little curious that the Giants, a team that struggled to score runs, didn't make more of an effort to keep him. The average annual value of his deal with the Phillies is less than the $5 million he made last year.

As recently as a couple of weeks ago, talks with Feliz appeared to be dead after the Phillies had previously been unable to land free agents Mike Lowell and Tadahito Iguchi.

"It was an interesting process during the course of the negotiations," Phillies assistant general manager Ruben Amaro Jr. said. "We felt like this was a great opportunity to shore up what we feel is the best infield in baseball.

"He played in a lot of obscurity in San Francisco with everything that has gone on with that organization, but he's a tremendous player."

Feliz was drafted by the Giants in 1994 and had spent his entire career with the organization.

Asked if he ever thought he would leave San Francisco, Feliz said, "No, I never thought about it. I was just going out there every day ready to play. It's part of the business. I was happy to be there and I'm happy to be here now."

The Phillies' 40-man roster was full even before the addition of Feliz, so another move will have to be made to

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Black Law Students / Re: Post Your Interesting News Articles Here
« on: January 31, 2008, 09:57:20 AM »
If you're just going to post your opinion (or what you know because of your experience), what's the point of discussion?

If actual discussion isn't the point for you, it seems rude to engage people who put serious thought and effort constructing posts/arguments that are based not only in opinion/experience, but have more objective data/arguments to back them up, but then refuse to address the things they say in response to you with the same effort (which, imo, is an indication of respect)

Yes, statistics can be manipulated, and yes, many academics sit in their little ivory tower. But that doesn't make the data and the research invalid per se. And it doesn't mean that your opinion/experience is generally more valid-for you personally, yes, probably. For the general population, doubtful. There are innumerable reasons why your experience may not extend to the general population, to the way all things work.

But then, I'm young and an outsider...what do I know.

::shrug::


what i am objecting to is misrepresenting arguments to fit your particular agenda thats it...discussion is fine...i dont believe that i misrepresent people's arguments i may disagree but i don't change them into something i want them to be so that i can further my opinion....

Jarhead, you do this all the time. You are the KING of this. Whenever someone, usually Miss P or I, try the put discussions into social and historical contexts, we are always accused of making excuses for people, despite that fact we have countless times strongly advocated personal responsibility. You have to portray our arguments this way in order to make yours appear stronger. C'mon man.




i don't see where you have strongly advocated personal responsibility...i have never said historical context is an excuse....historical context is what it is....i said you can't use slavery, racism, and discrimination as AN excuse to continue to live triffling, and not better yourself....that is my entire argument....i also mention historical context difference is i don't use it to excuse behavior that is not controlled by historical context....you guys explain why things are the way they are...i've never had a problem with that....but you don't move past it....when kd or A or myself or whoever else tries to say yes but...it's always historical context...i see a difference maybe you don't but i do....i mean i don't know any other way to explain it...historical context is great there are reasons for everything and the things are the way they are for a reason....of course....but when you not you specifically) tell me that the reason that blacks can't save money for homes is because of slavery im gonna say wtf? really slavery is the reason....i see a difference...when you constantly and consistently take a paternalistic view that black people are victims and so its therefore unfair for them to expected to do what every other minority group is expected to do...i have a problem with that....when every person who has done is an exception i have a problem with that because my opinion is that we are not the exception we are the norm....every single person on her has gotten to law school because they did what they had to do....i just can't get with people who've become or are on their way to becoming successful by following a formula constantly shouting about how the formula (w/ a few variations here or there) only works for exceptional people...i'm saying the formula works for anybody who tries it....

secondly i do have a different standard for minorities....i feel that white people can only know so much...minorities we know the ish we do....we don't want to say anything because we don't wanna give racists anything to hang their hat on but we know....im saying hang your hat on it whatever...i don't care what a racist white person thinks he's a racist... but we need to get it out there you can't fix it until you face it.....during war times you have to be ruthless and cold and hard....we are losing an entire generation with no end in sight....we can't afford all this pandering and acquesing (sorry have no idea how to spell that) so yes im gonna bang down excuses hard because they are doing us no good, we've been crying the same old blues since the early 70s and what has it gotten us?...

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Black Law Students / Re: Post Your Interesting News Articles Here
« on: January 31, 2008, 09:19:10 AM »
dude i have never called you a crazy liberal....but your arguments are liberal arguments i don't like political labels they are stupid...but you have a habit of making people's arguments what you want them to be...making them fit into your particular agenda....for instance bolded that is not even remotely what i said...what i said was in response to someone saying that walmart was the cause of the "recession" and the instrument of "reaganomics" and the destroyer of communities so and so forth....if anybody who remembers that thread thinks i am misrepresenting please tell me....first of all as A. pointed out its not a done deal yet that we are in a recession...secondly what i did was say how in the hell can you blame walmart for something that started under reaganomics...walmart came in in the last 2 minutes of the 4th quarter ....secondly the whole "you can put your mind to it" argument is a misrepresentation and a simplification...its often used by liberal to make your viewpoint a, liberal viewpoint, more legitimate in my opinion which is all it is....there is no room for reason in many of your arguments everything is dismissed as just an assumption...or wrong....wrong according to what you some statistic you found.....i can post a statistic so what...doesn't make your argument any stronger doesn't make it right....lastly i hope you don't think that i or anyone else is really gonna take the time to post an comprehensive argument on this board...most of us just stick to our main points....i can do research as well as the next guy i can post "facts" as well as anybody but i dont have the time nor the inclination....and wouldn't mean i was right anyway....you think something is an assumption because im not backing it with some statistic or study fine....

You are constantly referring to the "problem with liberals" in response to my posts, and you frequently say that my ilk is impractical, ideological, etc.  This was even in the post to which 7S and I responded.  Seriously, get a touch of self-awareness. Have you ever seen me say something like "the problem with conservatives" or "the problem with personal responsibility junkies"?  No.  And that's because I take your arguments on the merits and don't try to squash them into preconceived notions of what's right and wrong or who's good and who's bad.

Just to be clear about the Wal-Mart, Reaganomics, and globalization discussion, I'm posting our exchange and others can judge who they think characterizes it more accurately:

uh walmart had nothing to do with it was overreaching unions and reganomics....lets not stretch the walmart hate to ridiculous proportions now
This is a myth.

And Walmart is the tool of Reganomics.

myth my hind parts...i grew up in reganomics....walmart was a small fish in a big sea then.....ronny "unionbusting" regan destroyed the middle class in this country....that's a fact ask your parents

Wait, jarhead, which is it? :D  Reagan destroyed unions and thereby destroyed the middle class or unions demand too much and thereby forced manufacturing overseas?  I don't think it makes sense to take both positions without a bit more nuance.  In any case, while I agree that the seeds were sown for massive globalization during the Reagan years and before, the notion that it all happened pre-1988 is nonsensical, whether you look at the numbers (manufacturing jobs have declined by 20% since 1997) or the events (e.g., the end of the Cold War, the adoption of trade agreements like NAFTA, opening trade with China).  Wal-Mart would be China's eighth-largest trading partner if it were a separate nation; it is also the single largest customer of the maquiladoras in Juarez and other northern Mexican cities.  It is obviously moving money out of the U.S.


i posted a longer response but it didn't post so im it keeping simple...i was raised in the 80s im not telling you what i think im telling you what i know.....the exodus of the manufacturing industry, meaning the industry that made this coutnry great followin the end of the second world war, began under carter (when i used to watch goodtimes that wasn't in reruns)....and was perfected under reagan....the air traffic controllers went on strike and ronnie fired them all and hired new ones....fired all of them! and thats just one example "ronnie union busting reagan" that's a quote.... i did not make that up...ask around....globalization and all that ur talking about is a product of reagonomics/trickle down economic theory....aids, the drug epidemic all that reagonomics....ronnie reagan put two to the dome piece of the working middle class in this country...n words rap about that ish.....it's documented....they could teach an entire class on reagonomics because it had a devasting effect on this country....why do you think everytime we have an election every guy is gonna be the new ronald reagon....because he was the republisan's OG their shug Knight....those rich mfers got rich under reagan.....u think bush is pro corp....hes got nothing on ronnie....walmart was a podunk store in the midwest that trailer park bumpkins shopped at when that was going on ....collapse of the manufacturing industry caused by walmart pssht... walmart is an afterthought...indigestion... .a wack as- rapper capitalizing on the death of tupac and biggie....all this walmart is the destroyer of worlds is a bunch of liberal propaganda.....

All I'm going to say is that I wrote in George McGovern in the primary elections in first grade in 1980; no need to play granddaddy with me. :D

I was just trying to show that it's not all a result of Reagan policies but in part a result of things that he could not have accomplished (the end of the Cold War) or anticipated (the 1990s free-trade agreements).  I also don't know what you meant by "overreaching unions" if you are taking this hard-line anti-Reaganite position.  It seems self-contradictory on first blush.

ETA: Also, it's not entirely clear to me how union-busting promotes globalization.  If you buy the most cartoonish version of the imperatives to globalize, it seems that weakening labor would keep more jobs in the States.  And let's not forget Reagan's quotas on Japanese imports (cars and electronics) and limits on the steel trade.

Where are you getting all these stats?  I'm familiar with these things, but I can't find the hard data.

The manufacturing decline I took from the Bureau of Labor Statistics website.  The stuff about trade is from the (well-sourced if propogandistic) Wal-Mart Watch.

I'm curious. We're you a teenager during the '80s? You talk like we were born in the 90's.

Both jarhead and I were. :)



P is this the post that started the discussion or is this the post where i responded?....see what i mean

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Black Law Students / Re: Post Your Interesting News Articles Here
« on: January 31, 2008, 09:17:55 AM »
If you're just going to post your opinion (or what you know because of your experience), what's the point of discussion?

If actual discussion isn't the point for you, it seems rude to engage people who put serious thought and effort constructing posts/arguments that are based not only in opinion/experience, but have more objective data/arguments to back them up, but then refuse to address the things they say in response to you with the same effort (which, imo, is an indication of respect)

Yes, statistics can be manipulated, and yes, many academics sit in their little ivory tower. But that doesn't make the data and the research invalid per se. And it doesn't mean that your opinion/experience is generally more valid-for you personally, yes, probably. For the general population, doubtful. There are innumerable reasons why your experience may not extend to the general population, to the way all things work.

But then, I'm young and an outsider...what do I know.

::shrug::


when did i have a problem with discussion i don't....what i am objecting to is misrepresenting arguments to fit your particular agenda thats it...discussion is fine...i dont believe that i misrepresent people's arguments i may disagree but i don't change them into something i want them to be so that i can further my opinion....and if i or anybody else wants to argue opinion so what....is this an exam or something? why can't a person disagree w/o being of accused of taking things personal, why can't a person talk about their experience w/o having to know everything, why can't a person call a spade a spade w/o having to be uninformed or ignorant, why can't a person pick apart an argument or a particular point w/o over simplifying, since when are statistics facts? idealism if fine but there's another side it's called "but what really happens is" all im saying is you can't answer a but what really happens is argument with more ideology...i don't think im the only person on this board who gets it...but truthfully im tired of arguing it...if i disagree im gonna disagree...hate or love it

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Black Law Students / Re: Post Your Interesting News Articles Here
« on: January 31, 2008, 08:06:37 AM »
dude i think you confuse disagreement/argument with trivializing....those of us who disagree with you and P are not saying you are wrong (well sometimes i say you're wrong because you are, particularly when it comes to some of this government is more efficient stuff because that's just an oxymoron) we are saying we disagree....you guys are always posting these statistics and academic articles as if that somehow makes you right...it doesn't...as i said before statistics are easily manipulated and academic articles mean nothing to me because most academics are 15-20 out of practice of what it is they are studying....the problem i have with some "liberals" ie what i mean by trivializing is that they're always attacking differing view points as if "if you only knew xyz" you wouldn't think that way....my point is i do know xyz but i also no abc and i still have the opinion that i do....and we'll go back to experience...my viewpoints are also shaped by my life experience....a lot of what is expoused is rhetoric, idealism and so i counter with my so called "you think you know everything because you're old" actual experience....i don't trivialize anybodies argument but i will and do reserve the right to disagree....P is on the opposite side of the spectrum from me on most issues but at least their informed by experience....but you will never get anywhere with me if you don't have some practical knowledge behind your argument...that's anybody...i used to get in big trouble back in the Marines because i would have no problem telling some ahole who had never been in action or never traced a phone call to shut the f up because he didn't know what he was talking about....that's just my world view...when i know i haven't done something or don't have experience in something i shut what they call the f up....complete sidebar but the major reason why the war has gone to hell is because we have people running it based off of ideology...i think this...therefore this is.... they have absolutely no experience and don't know what the f their doing...so that's pretty much all you need to know about jarhead for purposes of this board  ;D

It's funny: neither 7S nor I ever call you a conservative nutcase (not that this is what I think you are) or anything, but you consistently call us crazy liberals and tell us exactly what you think of our kind.  This is what 7S and I were talking about when we said that you should check yourself before telling us not to trivialize your views. 

Of course experience is a good lens through which to view any information you receive (or any decisions you face), but that doesn't mean your singular set of data is always relevant to other people's lives.  I think that the discussion about whether government can be efficient is a good example.   You worked for the government and perhaps all the government institutions with which you come in contact (the DMV, the VA, your own office when you are studying the 5-second rule, etc.) are hopelessly inefficient, so you think the government can never do anything right.  Yet there are some government programs that work well (like Medicare and the post office), and you refuse to acknowledge that because you aren't in touch with them.  That's not being a wise old man; that's being solipsistic.

When I post something along the lines of "if only you knew," it's not because I think I am more enlightened or that you need to be enlightened.  It's because the evidence I have contradicts the things you say you know -- not your viewpoint or policy prescriptions, but actual facts that you've listed.  For instance, when you said that Reaganomics was what caused globalization and therefore Wal-Mart couldn't be meaningfully shifting the retail supply chain, I listed some post-Reagan phenomena that changed the global market (e.g., NAFTA) and some figures about the number of foreign goods in the domestic marketplace over time to show that indeed Wal-Mart is a big player.  I'm not surprised that you still think there's nothing wrong with Wal-Mart's supply chain; I just think it's important that you don't base your opinions on completely false information.  Sometimes your experience leads you to make too many assumptions.  It happens to the best of us (see, e.g., my discussion with KD of RI's UI taxes).

ETA: jinx, 7S.



dude i have never called you a crazy liberal....but your arguments are liberal arguments i don't like political labels they are stupid...but you have a habit of making people's arguments what you want them to be...making them fit into your particular agenda....for instance bolded that is not even remotely what i said...what i said was in response to someone saying that walmart was the cause of the "recession" and the instrument of "reaganomics" and the destroyer of communities so and so forth....if anybody who remembers that thread thinks i am misrepresenting please tell me....first of all as A. pointed out its not a done deal yet that we are in a recession...secondly what i did was say how in the hell can you blame walmart for something that started under reaganomics...walmart came in in the last 2 minutes of the 4th quarter ....secondly the whole "you can put your mind to it" argument is a misrepresentation and a simplification...its often used by liberal to make your viewpoint a, liberal viewpoint, more legitimate in my opinion which is all it is....there is no room for reason in many of your arguments everything is dismissed as just an assumption...or wrong....wrong according to what you some statistic you found.....i can post a statistic so what...doesn't make your argument any stronger doesn't make it right....lastly i hope you don't think that i or anyone else is really gonna take the time to post an comprehensive argument on this board...most of us just stick to our main points....i can do research as well as the next guy i can post "facts" as well as anybody but i dont have the time nor the inclination....and wouldn't mean i was right anyway....you think something is an assumption because im not backing it with some statistic or study fine....

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Black Law Students / Re: Post Your Interesting News Articles Here
« on: January 31, 2008, 06:20:27 AM »
i'm definitely not a bleeding heart....but i've done a lot of community service mainly through police athletic league and big brothers of america...i did a lot of outreach as a marine...mainly to inner city boys letting them know that it can be done...i don't post that a lot on here because it ain't none of yall's business....point is im all for lending a hand but to people who really want to help themselves...to better themselves....to get somewhere in life....im not the guy whose ear your gonna talk off about racism... and this and that....im not gonna tell you oh the world is messed up and its not your fault...i don't blame you for being trifflin' like you are i mean we were slaves you know...im not that guy the world is hard...and to get through it you have to be hard....seventhson i was not trying to imply that because P is white she can't have her opinion ....i am a firm believer in black people being their own worse enemy....this includes those of us who are always willing to give an excuse.....black people are not immune, you always agree with ms P fine....i think that view point is the most crippling and self destructive thing in the black community....but there are many who feel the way you do...you can agree with ms p all you want it takes all kinds... but don't frame our argument as if you we are just not considering all the obstacles we are...all im saying is don't try and trivialize a legitimate viewpoint because you happen to disagree with it....a view point by the way that is held by many of the most successful black people America has to offer (i mean if i wanna know how to achieve something i'm gonna ask the guy whose done it the best, his view is going to be a little different from the guy who wants to tell you all the reasons why it CANT be done).....i know that you need boots to pull yourself up by the bootstraps but most of them are not even tryna get boots....they're sliding by on flip flops....i am of the pre mecca malcolm x school of thought....the best thing white people can do for black people is teach their children not to hate....but as for black people getting out of our spot we have to do that ourselves....i don't like people making excuses black or white...i have many white friends and when they start they're liberal poor blacky rhetoric i tell them the same thing....you grew up in iowa/minnesota wherever....its great that you aware and its great that you care but you don't know more about my people than i do...the fact is that there is opportunity out there but you have to go get it or die trying

Yet, you trivialize Miss P and my viewpoints because she and I happen to disagree with you. How's that for irony. You'll call us bleeding hearts and liberals as soon as we present an argument that differs from your perception of reality.





dude i think you confuse disagreement/argument with trivializing....those of us who disagree with you and P are not saying you are wrong (well sometimes i say you're wrong because you are, particularly when it comes to some of this government is more efficient stuff because that's just an oxymoron) we are saying we disagree....you guys are always posting these statistics and academic articles as if that somehow makes you right...it doesn't...as i said before statistics are easily manipulated and academic articles mean nothing to me because most academics are 15-20 out of practice of what it is they are studying....the problem i have with some "liberals" ie what i mean by trivializing is that they're always attacking differing view points as if "if you only knew xyz" you wouldn't think that way....my point is i do know xyz but i also no abc and i still have the opinion that i do....and we'll go back to experience...my viewpoints are also shaped by my life experience....a lot of what is expoused is rhetoric, idealism and so i counter with my so called "you think you know everything because you're old" actual experience....i don't trivialize anybodies argument but i will and do reserve the right to disagree....P is on the opposite side of the spectrum from me on most issues but at least their informed by experience....but you will never get anywhere with me if you don't have some practical knowledge behind your argument...that's anybody...i used to get in big trouble back in the Marines because i would have no problem telling some ahole who had never been in action or never traced a phone call to shut the f up because he didn't know what he was talking about....that's just my world view...when i know i haven't done something or don't have experience in something i shut what they call the f up....complete sidebar but the major reason why the war has gone to hell is because we have people running it based off of ideology...i think this...therefore this is.... they have absolutely no experience and don't know what the f their doing...so that's pretty much all you need to know about jarhead for purposes of this board  ;D

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Black Law Students / Re: Post Your Interesting News Articles Here
« on: January 31, 2008, 06:01:41 AM »
YDNRC

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/09/dining/09curi.html

not to be too gross, but you can't eat things that are wet/sticky/hot if they fall.  the only things that work are like cookies and hard things like that.


that's funny we saw this study last year and spent like a week in my office trying to figure out all the things that you could and couldn't drop on the floor and still eat.....sll on the public's dime.....aaaaah government work so efficient...good times

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