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I did nothing over the summers.  I relaxed over my summer.  I only do work during the week and Sunday evenings.  I never, except during exams, did work on Saturday or on Friday evenings.  I know, including myself, several people in the top 10% of my class.  Most of them never took a course before school, but each of us kept up the entire semester.  I have never been unprepared for class.  I am about to enter my third year.  I have never passed when called on.  I think this is the key to doing well.  Be prepared all semester long.  Keep up with your reading.  I also didn't go out during the week.  I came home when classes ended, got right to work, and I was usually done by 6pm so I could relax the rest of evening and get a good nights sleep for the next day.  I treat law school like a job.  I get up at 7, I am at school in class by 8 or 9.  I work all day until 5 or 6.  This kept me on a routine, and keeps me disciplined. 

The other thing I did was wait until the end of semester to outline.  I know people who outline all semester.  They tend to be in the middle or bottom of my class.  I believe that if you outline all semester you are missing the big picture.  If you wait until November to start outlining, you are far better able to put things together in a manner that is logical and allows of easier reading.  Also, the act of typing out an outline forces you to learn it as you type it.  Things you are not sure on, you can spend more time on.  Things your know well, you can type it and then move on.  I think this helps you more at the end of a semester rather than all semester. 

Lastly, I keep things in perspective.  I largely believe that law students are drama queens, and enjoy playing the role of the stressed out student.  Can it be stressful? Hell yes.  But, it can be managed.  Most of the time it is going through the motions.  This outlook has worked for me.  Will it work for everyone, no.  My best advice is do what you feel is necessary.  Listen to no one else but yourself.  Pay no attention to how much time your classmates spend on doing things.  If 2 hours is all you need, good for you.  If you need more time to study, great then do it.  Don't change how you do things because your classmates may have spend 3 hours on two cases, while your spent an hour.  If you feel you know it, then you are fine.  But, also don't be afraid to be flexible.  If something isn't working, change what you are doing until it works.  Most of all, learn to relax.  I believe that alone will help you more than anything.         




this is one of the best posts i've read on this site

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3L job search / Re: Applying to the FBI
« on: June 05, 2007, 07:30:01 PM »
Hey dude,
I used to work in the intelligence community. I know the FBI sounds cool and all, but it's a bureacracy at its core.  There's a reason why the GW Law alumnus who helped take down Robert Hannsen quit - most of the time it's unbelievably dull.  And since 9/11, they aren't sure whether they are terrorist fighting organization or a crime-fighting organization.  The turf battles between the different agencies in the terror fight will make you want to shove a fork in your eye.

Not trying to discourage you, but I hope you go into with your eyes open. It's also very hard to get. Lots of former military intel are transitioning to it so they don't have to deploy and yet still do a similar job, and frankly everyone and their mother who watches "24" is applying to the CIA and FBI right now.




agree. i'm leaving the intelligence field after 10 years i did get to do some cool stuff but that's because i had military experience and i knew how to work the system. there is a really big difference between the CIA and FBI. the FBI is a law enforcement organization that is trying to do intel but they're fighting years of tradition so its difficult, but they have improved a lot from just after 9/11. i would suggest CIA but the only jobs worth doing are with NCS... outside of that, it's really not what its cracked up to be and no matter what they tell you. its government work...meaning that if you are innovative, intelligent, think outside of the box, and are a person who likes to get things done, do them right the first time, and move on to the next thing...you will ground to dust by mediocrity and red tape...

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General Board / Re: Marine Corps Jag
« on: February 05, 2007, 06:51:13 PM »
Do you get to operate any heavy artillery as a JAG lawyer?
wow i can finally contribute to something on this side...i'm a Marine Coprs Vet...the Marine Corps will be most interested in your leadership ability and what you can bring to the Marine Corps...Marine culture is a little different than the other services we are more focused on what do you bring to the Marine Corps as opposed to what the Marine Corps can do for you....that being said there are not a lot of Marine JAG officers...so as long as you know something about the Marines meaning you know what you're getting into and really express why you want to be a Marine as opposed to the other services you will be okay....i guess what im saying is the focus will be on will you make a good Marine Officer first and then can we use you in the JAG corps second...hope this helps


Is that a no?


what do you think

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General Board / Re: Marine Corps Jag
« on: February 04, 2007, 04:34:30 PM »
wow i can finally contribute to something on this side...i'm a Marine Coprs Vet...the Marine Corps will be most interested in your leadership ability and what you can bring to the Marine Corps...Marine culture is a little different than the other services we are more focused on what do you bring to the Marine Corps as opposed to what the Marine Corps can do for you....that being said there are not a lot of Marine JAG officers...so as long as you know something about the Marines meaning you know what you're getting into and really express why you want to be a Marine as opposed to the other services you will be okay....i guess what im saying is the focus will be on will you make a good Marine Officer first and then can we use you in the JAG corps second...hope this helps

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General Board / Re: Harvard vs. Fordham
« on: January 19, 2007, 09:05:45 AM »
Go to Fordham.

If you're really thinking about the choice, then you shouldn't be at Harvard.


why do you say that...just curious...im a non-trad (33, 15 years combined military and professional work experience)...i recognize harvard's reputation in the legal world but in my professional experience i don't find degree pedigree to be all that important...and seems to be a little overemphasized on this board...so just curious why you think that i shouldn't be thinking about my options

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General Board / Harvard vs. Fordham
« on: January 18, 2007, 07:55:06 PM »
here me out...i want to do entertainment law...intern at Sony BMI, MTV etc. legal and business affairs..maybe do an externship at volunteer lawyers for the arts or the viacom or cbs internship program...that type of deal...i've been accepted at Harvard and Fordham...im seriously considering forham i've done my research and they place well at big law (not what im interested in just sayin') are considered the 3rd best law school in NYC and people with better quals then me didn't get in....i haven't heard back from financial aid yet so i don't know what/if kind of money they are offering....harvard is basically going to be loans....for what i want to do how many more doors will harvard really open?...fordham is in NYC any kind of job i would want to take will be in NYC or LA which i would have to fly out to which ever one i go to...go

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General Board / Re: 1 year later....still glad u went to law school?
« on: December 23, 2006, 11:10:19 AM »
i have zero regrets - this degree is a means of empowerment... i worked for 3 years after finishing UG - i came to realize during my limited time spent in the rat race that your career success, advancement, etc. isn't necessarily linked nor dependent in any functional way upon how smart you think you are (i.e. how well you perform your particular role / delegation of duties withinin the corporate scheme) but more related to how smart you have *proven* yourself to be - which means, in terms of a modern-day work force translation, that you: you better have a professional degree (and if you do, it better be from a good school). this is all that matters. this is how johnny Q moron ends up running company X. he has the degree, smart guy doesn't - johnny Q gets the job. this time last year i was playing my part in a very tidy hierarchy of subservience. 1L is finished and out of the way and i'm now i'm writing minute entries on summary judgment motions for a judge - he gives me the briefs, etc. and i decide the issue. granted, i'm getting paid zero (1L summer judicial internship position) but the power being placed in my hands is semi-scary ...

and i like it :) it's a step in teh right direction - last year just another automaton in a collared shirt, this year i'm deciding actual issues that actively effect people's lives ...

no - regrets - whatsoever

this time next year 2L SA position with that very handy salary of several g per week ...

yeah, i'm crying a river


so true...those of you with all the complaints about law school and the law what did you expect...i've got news for you most jobs suck no matter how how up you are... how much you get paid there will be some aspect of your job that sucks...why would you think the law would be any different...i mean who goes to law school at this point thinking that its about truth and justice...do you live in the world or what...take it from someone who's been working for 10 years a JD is a good thing to have... it will give you an advantage over anyone who doesn't have one period...all this only get get paid 100k 90k stuff is ridiculous check out the top salaries for most professions/jobs/trades etc... it isn't anywhere near 100K...it takes most people 10 years to reach that salary level and thats if they play the game well

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General Board / Re: tools, spoiled brats and jerks...
« on: August 31, 2006, 06:36:39 PM »
by the things i've been reading on this board and others, as well as the personal experiences of some law students i know, its a concern that i have, thats all

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General Board / Re: tools, spoiled brats and jerks...
« on: August 31, 2006, 03:34:13 PM »
You just can't go into law school with the sort of attitude that you are going to hate everyone based on the straight out of private college, born into money stereotype.

There are people in law school like that for sure, but admissions tries hard to get a large mix of people in law schools.

For the most part they succeeded as in my 1L class as there was a wide array of personalities. Definitely a wide enough array that you can easily find people outside of the types of people you mention.

Of course you're going to be out of your comfort zone for awhile. You may have to make friends with different types of people than you have in the past. I don't see that as such a bad thing. You're an adult and need to learn how to co-exist with ALL types of people if you want to work in the adult world.

Know that many people keep 2 groups of friends: law school friends and old friends. You can still keep in touch with the old friends. Nothing is like the old friends, but the law school friends are great too.

I'm confident enough that there will be enough people not like those you mention that if you can't find a group of law school friends it probably says something about you more than law school.


thanks for the lecture...im well aware that law schools admit a diverse group of people.. im not worried about making friends..im worried about being a grown man going to school with classmates who i consider to be kids...my concern is about the level of maturity...and yes i realize that age does not always = maturity......unless your over 30 I wouldn't expect you to understand

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General Board / Re: To law students 29+
« on: August 30, 2006, 08:42:37 PM »
there are dumbasses at every age, dont forget that.  And you are only as old as you feel and act.  I tell you the good thing about being married and going to law school is that you have all the time that you would spend chasing tail to study :D


yeah i know but i dont want to be a total anti-social...these people will presumably be my colleagues so i'd like to be able to make some friends...im not married w/kids so i dont really fit in with that set and im not a 20 something worried about "chasing tail  :D"... i just hope i can find some down to earth people that i have things in common with ...whatever age they are...  my experience in undergrad, as a non-trad, let me know that my patience for juvenile bs is very short.

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