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$400-500?  That's so expensive, I doubt I can afford that kind of suit.  I was thinking more like $200.   >:(
So what is in style, 2 button or 3 button suits?
At K&G in the Philly area you can get 2 decent suits on sale for $150 - $200.  $400 - $500 is kinda steep maybe that's the amount in NY or something.

Go stand outside of a biglaw law office (Or the courthouse) on monday and you will see what they wear.  If you go to the courhouse make sure you watch the lawyers entrance.

yeah it's steep, but i said decent suit. if you can only afford $150. or $200.00 you can probably find something at a K&G or men's warehouse, but you also get a $400 suit for $200 at department stores on sale, there's a lot of good deals right now because they are clearing out for fall merchandise. don't bust your budget but you have to pay $400-$500 and up for a nice suit anywhere you live (once again if you don't believe me ask around). it's an ivestment but you can wear it to work etc. especially for you people going to work in high end law firms. you can write that stuff off on your taxes by the way (business expenses). you're going to want to have a decent suit trust me. if you just don't have the money get the cheaper suit for the interview and then upgrade once you start working. the shoes are most important though you can really dress up a $200.00 suit with a nice pair of shoes, same token you can bust down a $500.00 suit with cheap shoes. the number of buttons is personal choice i prefer two but a lot depends on the cut of the suit and your body type. for women sorry i don't have as much "expertise" but i would still say get the best stuff you can afford. women's clothes tend to be a much cheaper than men's so you guys will probably have an easier time finding nice things you can afford.

i've not been to "OCI" but i've been working for 15 years and done many an interview. when your just starting out try and get 2 nice suits, one a dark color black, dark grey etc. and one a light color tan or light grey. but if you can't affort two one will get you through your interviews. im from the NE so i prefer black but a nice dark blue will do. i don't know anyone just starting out who has a suit for everyday of the week, two suits is perfectly acceptable. it's the shirt and tie that make the outfit. as for shirts knock yourself out (they're cheaper get as many as you can afford. if your shirt collar has buttons it should not be worn with a tie, i know you see that all the time but it's wrong. those are casual shirts not meant to be worn with suits (if you don't believe me ask the guy in the store). you can make the same suit look like new just by changing up your shirt and ties. you can never have enough white shirts they're classy and go with everything. but you want to get some other colors as well. if you can only afford two get white and some other color. this is the most important thing i know you don't have a lot of money but you should get a nice suit as much as you can afford. macy's bloomindales etc. are always having sales stay tuned and catch a sale. (the average for a decent suit is $400-500) try and save or borrow from your parents. they usually don't mind coming off of money for an interview suit if you pay them back. i wouldn't get a suit that costs $100.00 unless it's been marked down i've not seen a $100.00 suit that looked good.  DO NOT BUY CHEAP SHOES i don't care how much your suit costs if you're wearing cheap shoes you will look like ish (if you don't believe me ask a lady friend). get a decent pair of dress shoes around $100.00 (once again try and catch a sale). you want to look nice, they know you can't afford the $1000.00 dollar suit but with a decent suit, and a nice shirt and tie you can fake it. oh one more thing when buying off the rack, get your suit altered to fit you correctly, it makes all the difference.

General Board / Re: So my crap school has a guy working at Cravath
« on: July 08, 2007, 11:32:59 AM »
I was searching around Cravath's website to see how smart their esteemed attorneys really are and was shocked to see a guy from my school (T30) working there.    :o  Looking up his profile elsewhere, I found that he graduated summa cum laude, was EIC of the LR, published a student note and had 10 CALI awards.   ;D
What credential would one need to work Cravath, coming from, let say Columbia or NYU? 
Cravath?  God, who cares?  Can you imagine how much ass-kissing you have to do there to be given a chance at serious consideration for partner?  Pucker up!

the guy is just trying to debunk the pervasive myth on this board that if you don't get into T14 you have no chance at big law and shouldn't even bother going to law school for that matter...whether you would want a big law job is another matter...give him a break.

Studying and Exam Taking / Re: Supplements
« on: July 06, 2007, 04:01:47 PM »
Dressler's Understanding Crim Law (Excellent, used the Dressler casebook as well)
Emmanuel's Flash Cards for Torts (alright, but memorizing the Black Letter Law is not that difficult)
Cherminsky's Principles and Policies for Con Law (Excellent, used the Chemerinsky casebook as well)
Glannon's Examples & Explanations for Civ Pro (OK for broad overview but not very in-depth)
Dukeminier BarBri Outline for Property (Excellent, used the Dukeminier casebook as well)

I didn't use anything for Contracts.

AWESOME thanks!

No matter what anyone says, the truth is there is a very mysterious quality about the grading.  I am about to begin my second year, and for myself I have boiled down my general approach to the following points.

1) Read all the material, but don't waste time re-reading cases or taking overly copious lecture notes.  Remember that you are graded on problem solving more than your encyclopedic knowledge of the material.

2) Develop a system of continually 'checking' your progress, either by studying in groups or using supplements with
question & answer sections.  It is important to make sure you are learning the material efficiently throughout the semester
in a way that you can use to problem solve by applying the principles in your cases to exam questions.

3) For the love of God, take the time to seriously study for YOUR PROFESSOR'S final.  Some teachers will write wonderful
   exams that fairly test you on the material, other professor's will test you on inane things you barely studied in class.  My first semester I earned great grades because I spent hours taking practice tests for each course.  My second semester I didn't think I needed to, and did not do nearly as well.  Your entire grade in a course will likely come down to a single 4 hour test.  Treat each class like the LSAT, you wouldn't walk into the LSAT without having taken practice tests under timed conditions.  Treat your classes the same way, in my opinion this is the single biggest difference between high and low grades; even more unfortunately than how well you actually know the material. 

not arguing with you but i think you've just said what the other guy said. you did your thing (practice test, study grops etc.) and didn't worry about others. you have to know the material well to apply it well, no?

Studying and Exam Taking / Re: Supplements
« on: July 06, 2007, 02:22:48 PM »
first let me say im still chillin' and relaxin' having read a thing except maxim etc.  :) but being the obssesive planner that i am, as august slowly approaches i was wondering if we could get a general idea of supplements that people found helpful. especially those who finished at the top of the class. i know that everyone has to do what works for them but i'm sure some supplements stand out as clearly better than others. i've heard a lot of people say E&E examples and explanations are really good i think...any general advice as far as supplements goes? i'm trying to avoid spending money on everything only to find out that only 2 or 3 were useful.

My advice - don't try to be at the top of the class. :)  I was honestly more concerned about getting put on probation all year, and otherwise was trying not to put a lot of pressure on myself about grades.  However, I ended up being top 5%.  I didn't plan for it or expect it at all, so my methodology could probably only be classified as "accidental."  :)

Right on.  I was kind of in a similar boat, just trying to stay top 80% to keep my scholarship.  After first semester exams, which I felt good but not great about, I'd told myself that I'd be happy with top half--I was top 20% after first semester.  After second semester exams, which I felt great about, I was hoping I'd improve slightly upon my first semester grades, and I ended up with such a kick-ass 2nd semester that I'm now top 5% overall.  I just tried to focus on learning the material, not worrying about what grades would result from my efforts.  Worrying/stressing is so counterproductive.

i have to agree with this i'm a 0L but i've always tackled school like that and plan to continue in law school. don't worry about being at the top of the class. just make sure you know the material and do the best that you can. 9 times out of 10 you will look up at the end and be in the lead pack. don't let yourself get lazy and don't concern yourself with what everybody else is doing. i've always found that people who are constantly talking about how well they're doing are lying. i know very few people who get stellar grades that go around telling everyone about it. i usally just say i did alright. at the end of the semester all the "gotta be tops in the class" people will ask you what's your trick. when you say i just did the best i could and didn't worry about anybody else, they always have this confused look on their face.

gunners prepare for class people at the top of the class prepare for the exam.

General Board / Re: So my crap school has a guy working at Cravath
« on: July 03, 2007, 06:38:02 PM »
Um, there's someone there who went to my school too (T80-something). That's why you shouldn't listen to people who say you'll never get a big law job if you're not at a T14 school...


General Board / Re: Loans?
« on: July 03, 2007, 06:37:03 PM »
yeah i get the col vs coa stuff, whether his numbers are off or not his point is still valid, my roomate at the time (had way less than 19k a year to live off) and he still invested and survived. if the guy lives like a student it's totally doable particularly in the south where you can get a decent apartment for under 700 bucks a month. will he have 10K to slap down in a CD no but if he can squirrel away 2500 it's still worth it.

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