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Current Law Students / Re: Just me?
« on: September 03, 2007, 11:26:19 AM »
I'm finding it manageable as well. it's a lot of work but 1L so far has not been a "nightmare" i think that whole scene attracts a certain personality type anyway. i do notice a big difference between the straight out of college set and the worked some first set. the former is very cliquey and at least so far seem overly concerned with socializing. that could be because its still early in the semester but old habits die hard. i'm not anti-social. i went to a couple of the "get to know everyone" events during orientation i.e. before classes, but not since. if i come out of this place with friends great, but i didn't come to law school to party and drink every night. every weekend is working fine for me  :) i also think people who worked have better time management skills and seem to have grasped the bigger picture a little quicker and little better. a lot of the younger kids are still in the "what's the right answer" mode. i'm sure most will catch on eventually but it just seems to be an advantage to get that part of law school early on.

Current Law Students / Re: Outlining - when and how to do it?
« on: September 03, 2007, 11:17:55 AM »
i'm a 1L and i've started briefing after the first week. my crim and property profs' syllabi break down each area of law ie. Acquistion by Discovery/ acquisition by capture etc. with the cases we read and discuss underneath, so whenever we get to the end of a section (for me after the first week) i outline. Just one section took me a really long time not so much the material as the format. figuring out where everything should go and what to leave out. civ pro i'm just briefing cases so far.

What about shoes?  What style is appropriate?  Lace? no lace? What about color? 

i prefer lace ups oxford, cap toe or wing tip. color depends on the suit but you can never go wrong with black. i started out with one black pair and one brown pair. once you start making money you can branch out but for starters black pair and brown pair. and if you can spare it invest in shoe trees they increase the life of your shoes

For the record, I wasn't trying to debunk the "myth" that only people from T14 schools work for biglaw.  If anything, what I have seen so far overwhelmingly confirms that myth. 

I agree.  I thought the response was almost funny. 


Read this article:  One quote supporting my earlier posts: "But the eye-popping salaries are the reality for a small fraction of law school graduates, and all those stories of big money may be creating unrealistic hopes for the vast majority of law school students. Contributing to the situation is the effort by law schools to portray their employment numbers as robustly as possible to boost their ranking scores."

i read that article before you posted it here. i've worked in the legal field for the past 9 years and actually know of what i speak. there is nothing that contradicts my statement in this article. what people like you always seem to miss is that there are like something like 180 law schools only 50 are considered tier one so yes for a majority of law students i.e. those at tier 2-4 schools, these statistics hold true. however my statment was confined to tier 1. in addition outside of harvard and gt which have very large classes the average law school class at top 20 is anywhere from 100-150 top 10% of that would be 10 to 15 students per school. assuming that every single one of those students takes a job in a big law firm they would still be a small majority compared to the former, so once again not contradicted by your article. as i see you've already been busted on this board i won't bother to mention that many lawyers who don't get big law initially work in medium or small firms and then transfer to big law after 5 years or so of building a reputation. i also won't mention the fate of those elite t14 students who fail to make partner at big law and will be out the door in five years, just as that mere mortal small to mid lawyer is walking in the door.

Current Law Students / Re: 1L Case Briefs
« on: July 26, 2007, 01:36:47 PM »
i took a UG class called legal methods and analysis or something like that, we did case briefs the exact way the previous poster described. i didn't find it particularly hard or difficult got an A in the class. i know it was a UG class but i've seen a few law school case briefs and don't see anything different. is there something about case briefs in law school that makes them harder?

ok cool, someone on some other thread was saying something about professor, no exams on file, unfair advantage blah blah.

Job Search / Re: How useful is Vault?
« on: July 24, 2007, 10:51:59 AM »
i use NALP and Martindale as a jump off to the firms actual website, most of them have something on there about the culture of the firm and the summer employment section usually lists the entire schedule for summer associates. they also have summer comments and sometimes video. it's still anecdotal but at least you're getting it from the horse's mouth. i've found that you usually can get a feel for the type of firm by the website. those that are less uptight usually have less formal/more interactive web pages. i've also noticed that some don't even have a link for OCI or summer employment they simply have recruting contact, don't exactly get the warm and fuzzies when i come across those websites.

sorry for the dumb question or if this has already been answered but all professors keep copies of their previous exams on file correct? because i've heard some people say that some don't. isn't that like understood, that there will be copies of exams on file so students can prepare? i know i can get A exams from other students but professors have been know to change their criteria from semester to semester

i also jacked my first try at UG i ended up graduating with a 3.5 but my lsac cum gpa was a 2.4 i got a 170 on the lsat and got into every tier 2 i applied to, quite a few top 50 schools, 1 t14, and 2 top 20's. everything will depend on your lsat and how well you put together your application but it's doable.

Transferring / Re: NYU vs. top 20 school full ride
« on: July 19, 2007, 11:35:58 AM »
Granted I don't have near the beautiful choices that you do, I think I would stay.  I'm always an advocate of going to the best school you can that is also conducive to your career goals.  If you are at a top 20 school, you are at a very prestigous school in the first place.  I really don't think that saying you went to NYU is worth borrowing close to 100k for your last two years of law school when you are already at a top 20 school.  If you want to work in NYC, got to school for free the next two years and know that  you are going to put that 100k into living expenses or a business after you get out of school.  I'm sure if your school is top 20, NYC recruits there anyway.  If you had always wanted to go to NYU and have a vested interest in going there-I say go for it.  But if you don't have a really really good reason to go there, I would stay where you are at.  Good luck. 


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