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Choosing the Right Law School / Michigan 60k vs. Chicago 36k?
« on: February 26, 2007, 11:48:02 AM »
Yup, another one of these threads. I got my Chicago award letter today and conveniently, their award is at that boundary where I can't decide between Chicago's prestige/rank vs. less debt at Michigan which also has pretty good prestige/rank, just not at Chicago's level. Anyways, please leave comments about what you think I should choose.

Some specifics to address:
1. Is there really a difference in job opportunities? Specifically for students at the median and 75th percentile? I'm obviously striving for higher than that but you never know. Is bottom 25th at UMich barely eligible for biglaw?

2. Chances of landing a 1L summer gig (maybe much higher chances at Chi will help compensate the difference in debt)? Keep in mind I have an Electrical Engineering degree from undergrad, so if that really helps then...

3. Does Mich really make the V10 really hard to achieve? I know Chi gives you a good shot. (yes this question is very toolish)

4. Differences in placing with top California IP firms.

Basically I'm looking at GPA/rank cutoffs or depth into class. Any help is appreciated!

Law School Admissions / Re: Chicago Countdown Thread
« on: February 22, 2007, 04:02:14 PM »
They didn't wait til friday, there's been 15-20 acceptances on LSN in the past 3 hours.

So Chicago is that certain that their yield will be low? They sent out an email to all the admits last week with 395 recipients. Now another slew of acceptances.

Obviously, historical data would show that they shouldn't be worried about overenrollment but still. What if Chicago does a kickass job with their admitted student materials and weekend? Their normal entering class is about 200, what if 2/3 of the admitted 500 or so students decide to go to Chicago?

Law School Admissions / Re: Georgetown Dean's Scholarship
« on: February 20, 2007, 12:28:07 PM »
I think it is supposed to be just merit based, but then I was wondering why they asked on the application if we were planning to apply for need-based.  Mufich and lili, when did you guys get the e-mail notification that you are finalists?

I got an email saying I'm a finalist on Feb. 16th. I also got an email like 1 hr ago from a current dean's scholar, inquiring if I have any inquiries.

I haven't sent in the needs-based finaid application yet nor do I ever intend to.
If I get the scholarship, I won't qualify for any need money.
If I dont get the scholarship, I won't attend.

If I learned anything from last year, it is that there are at least three ways to get talked about:
1) Claim your uncle invented Monopoly, brag about how rich you are, and generally just be a feminine hygiene product.
2) Wear 1/3 of a shirt to an event.
3) Sleep with a current student and do your walk of shame back into a room full of current students who all know where you were.

Number 3 actually happens? So much for Chicago being full of nerds. Then again the guy/gal who did number 3 would probably not enroll for the next Fall for fear of shame.

Nerds have sex...just with other nerds. So Chicago may still be full of nerds...  :P

Yeah my LSAT skills are rusty. Took it in June.

On 2nd thought, no. Nerds do have sex with other nerds. But it takes awhile for them to finally decide to go at it. A nerd would never one night stand a current student at ASW.


I have a quick question: what sort of attire is expected for the welcome reception at the schnazzy law firm on the Thursday evening of the admitted students event. In other words, is it the type of event where everyone will be wearing a suit, or is it more of a khakis and nice polo shirt event?



You should consider dressing a bit nicer for the law firm. For the rest of ASW, jeans and a polo shirt is fine; for the law firm, maybe go up to khakis and a button down shirt. A sports coat would definitely be overboard, so don't go anywhere near a suit.

So for girls--> are black pants and sweater okay? 

I don't know anything about women's clothing, but that sounds fine to me.

In guy terms, the dress is basically what you'd wear out to a bar; trying to look nice, but not trying to look formal. For girls, I guess that suggestion could lead to some inappropriate clothing. So maybe it is better described as more than casual but less than business casual?

Basically, as long as you don't wear something inappropriate, it will be fine. As an example, there was a girl last year who wore what I can only describe as a third of a shirt out to the equivalent of the Rock Bottom party. She got talked about. Nobody else did.

Something to aspire to.

If I learned anything from last year, it is that there are at least three ways to get talked about:
1) Claim your uncle invented Monopoly, brag about how rich you are, and generally just be a feminine hygiene product.
2) Wear 1/3 of a shirt to an event.
3) Sleep with a current student and do your walk of shame back into a room full of current students who all know where you were.

Number 3 actually happens? So much for Chicago being full of nerds. Then again the guy/gal who did number 3 would probably not enroll for the next Fall for fear of shame.

Canadian Law Students / Re: Canadian financial aid options
« on: February 19, 2007, 07:08:11 AM »
Bump for more opinions/experiences on the OP. I can get my parents (CDN citizens with solid income, credit history, etc.) to cosign my loan if need be. I don't have a US cosigner. I've also researched a couple more options: the Global Student Loan Program and TERI organization but will need to contact them for more info. If any Canadians/internationals have experiences or info on topic, please add to the thread.

PS: particularly info on getting loans from Canadian banks, since they seem to offer the best rates, just an issue of negotiating higher limits (I do have my parents to cosign). Also, for this option, how do they actually lend you the money since you are studying in a US school and they obviously don't have branches in the states.

Canadian Law Students / Canadian financial aid options
« on: February 16, 2007, 04:38:23 PM »
I realize this has been discussed in previous threads, but often the information is disorganized or unclear. Basically I'm looking for comprehensive information about what options do Canadians use for loans.

I've researched of about 4 options (unless you go to HYS which provide loan programs for int'l students).

1. Canhelp
2. Canadian banks
3. Provincial gov't
4. Big US banks

Basically I'm wondering which of these 4 options is best or feasible. I know Canhelp has high interest rates. Canadian banks have strict loan limits. Prov. governments have very strict limits so this is basically unusable. I'm actually not sure about (4) but I've heard that large US banks (i.e. Citibank) can access Canadian credit history and be willing to give you a loan (this is case-by-case).

Also with option (2), what loan terms and limits have people been able to negotiate? Also, how do they disburse the loan to the US law school? Will having your parents cosign the loan really raise the loan limit and improve the terms?

Canadian Law Students / Re: Getting a U.S Student Visa - An Overview
« on: February 16, 2007, 04:27:09 PM »
It's very simple.  If you have a job, you're safe.  If you don't have a job, you're living on borrowed time (your CPT or OPT, which adds up to a year, max).

But you can imagine what a hassle it would be to have to move out of the country and then have to move back again.  It's nothing to panic about, but it could be a major pain in the ass.


Haha, sorry, I missed that post.  I don't think you can stay in the country on OPT if you're not working, however.

You can if you can document that you are actively seeking employment at that time - log of jobs you applied to, interviews, resumes sent out, etc.  I personally know someone who's done that.  On an H-1 though, if you lose your job, you have 60 days, I think, to find a new employer or pack up and leave.

One more thing - to apply for the F-1, your school needs to issue an I-20 to you - just ask the admissions office after you pay your deposit.  Then make a consulate appointment and use the link J gave you to get all your supporting docs together.

If you're Canadian, you don't need to get a consulate/embassy appointment. In fact, you don't need an F1 visa in the same way that non-Canadian international students do.

All you need is your I-20. Go to the border whenever you're ready to leave Canada, show the I-20, proof that you can pay for your education, acceptance letter, and passport (in fact only the I-20 and passport are needed in practice, but in theory you need all 4). They'll give you an I-94 when you cross the border marked F-1 on it.

Thanks. It looks like my decision will come down to the same two schools and I've tried to tell myself that the money does not matter in the long run, given a distant horizon. However, it seems like financial constraints will impact the school experience and may cause happiness issues (which many people seem to think will affect grades). Just one issue of many I've been working through...

This was, perhaps irrationally, precisely my thinking. Tuition is just a check I have to write once it comes in. If I have to write a bigger check because of less scholarship money, whatever. It's a completely sunk cost once I commit to a school.

On the other hand, entertainment while at school is a pure marginal cost. Even if I tell myself "Oh, I can take out extra loans to support my going out in the evening," I still face a night-to-night choice of "Do I go out tonight and spend money? Or do I stay in?" Being able to go out really cheaply makes it a lot easier to have fun, and raises my quality of life substantially.

It certainly was not a decisive factor in my decision making. But prior to really thinking it through, I was in the position of "I'd rather attend school at the University of Chicago; but being able to live in NYC for three years would also be a once in a lifetime experience." Once I started thinking about what my life would actually be like in NYC, it made the final call a lot easier.

I had the same conversation with my dad last night; granted, I'm not in the position of choosing, since I've yet to hear from NYU and I've been waitlisted at CLS, but I was talking to him about which I would choose if I do get accepted to NYU.  What MTG says is pretty much what I was thinking - I know NYU's student budget's pretty low, and considering the high COL in NYC, I don't think, finances-wise, it would be all that great.  And I had the same thought: I think I'd rather go to Chicago, the school, but living in NYC for 3 years woudl be such a great experience.  Anyway, it's really helpful to see that you went through the same thought process, MTG, and how you came to your decision.

If you don't mind, I only discussed CLS/Chicago above, let me throw in a few comments on NYU.

(Please note, all of this reflects my experience two years ago; absolutely reverify all this information before you listen to me, as things may have changed—as I had shown to me in a discussion about CLS's LRAP program in another thread)

If you look at the CLS/NYU/Chicago student budgets, they are all approximately the same. Yet, the cost of housing is exorbitantly higher at NYU. When I visited NYU for ASW, they took us on a tour, including the D'Ag dormitory. The tour guide led us into a literal shoebox of a dormroom that two girls were living in. I kind of looked obviously a bit scared by how tiny it was, and the girl who lived there apologetically offered "We picked the cheapest one to save money; if you want a little more space, there are bigger rooms."
"Oh, well how much is this one?"
"This is $1250 a month... per person."
"$1250 a month??! But if you look at the student budget, it only allocates $1225 a month for housing. I thought you said this was the cheapest one?"
"It is."
"So how do you afford it on the student budget, let alone living at a bigger, more expensive place?"
"You don't."

Later, I asked the tour guide about the student budget. She said "Oh, the budget? It's completely unrealistic, you might as well just tear it up." In contrast, I was told at CLS the student budget was "tight, but manageable" and later at Chicago that the student budget was "completely reasonable."

I already wasn't liking NYU (I seem to be one of the few people who have an instant negative reaction to the place; and it's happened twice), so I just left ASW after the tour and went and wandered around NYC for 4 hours and saw a play.

lol, saw a play...that probably wouldn't fit in the student budget if you attended NYU, especially if it was on Broadway.

More seriously, UChicago's budget is actually quite generous for a single person with no car. They allocate something like 8.5k for room, 4.5 for food, and 4k total for transportation and personal expenses. From a quick check of rental rates and grad housing prices, housing is closer to 6.5k, food 3k, and without a car, transportation would be nothing except maybe about $500 for trips back home. The total budget is 59k but 55k is more than doable. The differential could be larger if you extend these costs to the summer months assuming you chose to stay in the same city over the summer.

lol, I love the difference in reactions between LSD and XoXo.

LSD: "You're a prestige whore, go kill self"
XOXO: "You've failed in life, go kill self"

Edit: Upon further reading, MTG has made the same observation on XO

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