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General Off-Topic Board / Re: LSD Libertarians
« on: July 15, 2007, 07:01:23 PM »
While it is true that there are still private hospitals, and they could have private insurance, for most people it is prohibitively expensive and def not provided by their employer. At least thats how it is for my family members in England... And the reason for it being so expensive is that the patients always have the option of WAITING to get the procedure done free of charge. Private doctors in England can effectively charge ridiculous prices for procedures because they know their competition (socialized medicine) makes people wait forever.

I'm not intimately familiar with health care in England, although it's quite common for Norwegians to travel to England for certain specialist treatment. It is not my impression that it it horribly expensive at all, quite ordinary families on normal salaries can do it.

Still, the sum of what you're saying is that private doctors in England do what all doctors in the US do. Luckily I haven't suffered anything serious while in the US, but save from Japan where the price level is astronomic in general, the US has always given me the biggest doctor bills I've ever seen.

My yearly check-up at a high profile, private health clinic usually costs around $80-100. Most serious thing I've suffered in the US is a broken arm, but that cost me (or rather, my insurance company) a few thousand dollars.


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Because of this, if my grandparents can't get the treatment they need within a few weeks, they come here and my parents pay for it out of pocket. It's a lot cheaper than paying for private care in England.
I have a very hard time believing this, but I'm too lazy to bother googling it. I don't care much about England anyway, it's not representative for Europe; they don't like the rest of Europe, we don't like them.



Theres a difference between life and death care... and just regular check up needs. Yes, life and death care gets handled almost immediately in England. A lot of people talk about the English and French health care systems as if they are the model, when there are a lot of issues with them.

And my grandparents rely on a ridiculously small pension. Obviously they can't always afford things that younger, college educated people can afford. They get something like 150 - 200 pounds per week. To pay for everything. For their generation, the socialized health care system driving up the prices of private doctors is definitely a bad thing. Additionally, my father gets professional courtesy at hospitals in our area, thus getting them health care here is cheaper and faster than them waiting for it in England. 

And as for my uncle, when he was 11 he was given a test that put him on an educational track that did not give him the option of going to college. Thats how the educational system worked at the time. Thus he has only the equivalent of a high school diploma. For people in that same situation, the option of privatized health care does not exist. The entire system is flawed.

Also the reason why a lot of people travel to England for specialist treatments is because there are more medically trained specialists there than almost anywhere else. I think I've heard that the British NHS is one of the worlds largest employers (top ten maybe) And many of the doctors for the NHS also work in private hospitals.

but its just one example...

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General Off-Topic Board / Re: LSD Libertarians
« on: July 15, 2007, 05:23:10 PM »
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Tell me about it. MY uncle's heart stopped while he was walking along the promenade in Greenock, Scotland. Just briefly, but long enough for him to collapse and bust his face up real good, as well as knocking him unconscious. The doctor told him that he probably needed a pacemaker, but since it had only happened once, he needed to wait until it happened again before he could get one. Of course, the next time could've killed him.
Yet again, you're missing the point that a 'socialist' (not a big fan of the word) health care means that private health care is gone. Just like in the US, he could have ordered a spot at a private hospital and gotten the surgery and pacemaker done. The only difference is that this isn't the only way. If he couldn't afford to have it done in the UK, he wouldn't have been able to afford it in the US either.

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Ok KeNo, call me an imbecile again... I'm waiting.
Meh, I think you're taking good care of that yourself.


While it is true that there are still private hospitals, and they could have private insurance, for most people it is prohibitively expensive and def not provided by their employer. At least thats how it is for my family members in England... And the reason for it being so expensive is that the patients always have the option of WAITING to get the procedure done free of charge. Private doctors in England can effectively charge ridiculous prices for procedures because they know their competition (socialized medicine) makes people wait forever.

Because of this, if my grandparents can't get the treatment they need within a few weeks, they come here and my parents pay for it out of pocket. It's a lot cheaper than paying for private care in England. This rarely happens for them however, because my dad calls right after every check up they have and has the results faxed to his office. This is def not the norm though, as I said before... they get very special treatment.

EDIT: This is only for England... it may be different for other systems but I don't know that much about them. I've had experience with the English health care system because both my parents worked in it before coming over to the USA, and I still have relatives there. It's not the worst system.. but it definitely isn't working as well as the USA's privatized system.

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General Off-Topic Board / Re: LSD Libertarians
« on: July 15, 2007, 03:23:11 PM »
Additionally...

Britain's socialized health care system is AWFUL. I have family over there, and the only reason that my grandparents actually get referred to specialists is because their GP knows that my dad is a doctor and thus gives them what they need.

My uncle on the other hand, gets no such special treatment. You can't get lipitor in England until you absolutely need it, even though studies have proven it is an extremely useful preventative for men over 40. He only just got lipitor at age 55 because his last tests showed an enlarged heart - something lipitor given earlier would have helped to prevent.

Additionally, if you are 16 and get pregnant in England, you are given a government paid for apartment, a government job with a benefits package, and a salary that rivals some college graduates IN ADDITION to food subsidies. So the girl gets knocked up and gets rewarded for it. Yes she'll have to deal with having a kid at a young age, but it doesn't seem like she'll be all that desperate... (It only lasts until she gets married though) I actually know someone that took the government up on this deal just to get out of her parents house. Its ridiculous.

Socialized medicine is a great idea... but it doesn't work out properly. Remember the 1500 elderly that died in France of a heat wave that was equal to the average temperature in parts of Arizona? The government of France denounced their health care system publicly, yet advocates for socialized medicine continue to look at it as an example of a system that does work.


I'm a libertarian too btw.

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Incoming 1Ls / Re: Computer Advice
« on: July 15, 2007, 01:49:51 PM »
Anybody have good recommendations on desktops?  Anyone use both?

Build your own.   ;)

By "build my own", do you guys mean to literally build it myself?  Or just tell them what I want.

Literally build your own... Its not very difficult and often it ends up being cheaper.

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Incoming 1Ls / Re: Computer Advice
« on: July 14, 2007, 07:49:15 PM »
I'm on my second ThinkPad.  I love them, and I've never had problems with my laptops... while noticing that all my friends' laptops broke down at some point.

Anyway, I've been thinking about getting a desktop in addition to my laptop, just because they're so inexpensive and much more comfortable too use.  It'd be nice to have the additional hard disk space, and the latest graphics cards, etc.

Anybody have good recommendations on desktops?  Anyone use both?

I highly recommend building your own desktop computer. However, if you can't do that - All that matters is whats inside the box. I have a market HP desktop and one that I custom built. I used the HP in college and it hasn't failed me yet. Just make sure you get at least a dual core processor and 300 GB memory. My HP has a media drive bay so I can insert my external hard drive directly into the desktop - I like that it saves on wires.

I hate Dells... but thats just my personal preference. I also would not go near Compaq (even though they are just slightly cheaper HP computers). Alienware has some nice ones... though they are pricey.

Seriously though, if you can build your own or have a friend build one for you, do that.

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Incoming 1Ls / Re: Lenovo vs. thoseotherguys
« on: July 14, 2007, 11:17:53 AM »
For XP media center and for the Vista Home Premium on my laptop I created my own restore discs... If you have Vista Business it might be different... but I'm pretty sure you can do it yourself.

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General Off-Topic Board / Re: Anyone here work out?
« on: July 13, 2007, 06:43:22 PM »
Where are you? There are usually tons in cities. Even the New Balance stores are decent for telling you what kind of shoe you need. The techs there will recommend an NB only if they think they have one that fits your needs. Otherwise they'll recommend something/somewhere else. Most of the people that work in those stores are relatively serious runners too...

tampa

we have a NB store, but it was just teenagers...

Try Athletic Shoe Factory. I think they have one of those in Tampa. Also... try www.runningnetwork.com to find a store in your area.

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General Off-Topic Board / Re: Anyone here work out?
« on: July 13, 2007, 06:32:25 PM »
Where are you? There are usually tons in cities. Even the New Balance stores are decent for telling you what kind of shoe you need. The techs there will recommend an NB only if they think they have one that fits your needs. Otherwise they'll recommend something/somewhere else. Most of the people that work in those stores are relatively serious runners too...

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General Off-Topic Board / Re: Anyone here work out?
« on: July 13, 2007, 03:56:21 PM »



wheres a good place to get em?

Go to a store specializing in running gear. They can watch you walk and recommend a shoe that will give you the support and padding you need. (they watch to see if your arch flattens or not... it actually makes a huge difference in a shoe) Some stores even have treadmills so that they can watch you run and then try out different shoes.

Seriously though, a running specific store is your best bet. You can always find the shoes there then go home and see if you can find them online for cheaper.

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General Off-Topic Board / Re: Anyone here work out?
« on: July 13, 2007, 01:33:51 PM »
who makes a good running/jogging shoe?

I use Mizuno. They are light and well cushioned for both distance and sprint workouts.
My mother uses Saucony or Asics. Those are heavier, but then she doesn't do interval training - just marathons.

I would go with Mizuno... but thats just me. They also run narrow however. If you have wide feet New Balance is probably best.


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