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General Off-Topic Board / Re: I Hate Gay People
« on: February 15, 2007, 01:19:36 PM »
White queer people need a new bag, what does that mean, please explain?

I think white queer people are way too quick to jump on racial metaphors and should instead focus on how homophobia, itself, works.

i get what you're saying Miss P.  i know that the LGBT community looks to other equal rights movements (blacks & women), but whenever something negative occurs, be it a hateful statement or a hate crime towards someone who is gay & the response there is no national outcry, we always here the LGBT bringing up what would have been done if the people involved were black.  & i can't explain why i feel this way, but i feel insulted.

Yes, I think it's a poor strategic choice (in terms, especially, of coalition-building with other civil rights activists), cognitively off-base, unnecessary, and possibly trivializing of the specific history of slavery.

you are right, i'm sorry I think we are on the same side.

I imagine we are. :)

Not that I disagree with Miss P, but what's the alternative?

i think that Miss P mentioned that homophobia & it's source(s) should be focused on, instead of focusing on other groups of people.

& i would like to add that pointing fingers @ another grp tends to give the people the impression that the 2 groups are pitted against each other when that's not the case.

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General Off-Topic Board / Re: I Hate Gay People
« on: February 15, 2007, 12:38:57 PM »
White queer people need a new bag, what does that mean, please explain?

I think white queer people are way too quick to jump on racial metaphors and should instead focus on how homophobia, itself, works.

i get what you're saying Miss P.  i know that the LGBT community looks to other equal rights movements (blacks & women), but whenever something negative occurs, be it a hateful statement or a hate crime towards someone who is gay & the response there is no national outcry, we always here the LGBT bringing up what would have been done if the people involved were black.  & i can't explain why i feel this way, but i feel insulted.

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General Off-Topic Board / Re: I Hate Gay People
« on: February 15, 2007, 11:25:57 AM »
These are all mostly valid points. Personally, if I was being paid 10 million dollars a year to throw a sphere in a circle, I think I could somehow manage.

Wow. Just wow. I bet every person convicted of sexual harassment has the same rationale.

You might have misinterpreted.

Perhaps. If the idea is that a basketball player should be able to manage gay players in the locker room, then I misintepreted. If the idea is that because a ball player makes 10M, then they should just deal with being "checked out" in the locker room then I don't agree. 

Holy crap, I had no idea you were even referencing me. I thought it was directed at the bolded.

Anyway, my comment was a combination of the 2. First of all, it's ridiculous to think that a gay man in a locker room is spending all his time checking out his fellow teammates. Second of all, yes, I'm making the point that if someone is able to enter the top .0001 percent of wealth for doing something completely inconsequential, then they should be able to deal with having a gay teammate. I'm not saying they should have to, but that they should be able to.

Ok, I agree with your clarifications. I misinterpreted.

It's cool.

Really, my problem is this: it seems to me that everyone is an uproar because he said he hates gay people. But no one seems to really care that he actually hates gay people; we're more concerned that he said it. At what point did we decide that it's ok to hate gay people, but you can't say it? Why does what you say matter more than what you believe?
i agree w/you & to me, this whole thing about tolerance is bullshite.  i don't know why anyone would hate another person that they don't even know b/c of their sexual orientation, gender, race or ethnicity.  they are plenty of people who are real a-holes, & hate should be directed toward them.  in other words, i think, you have to actually know someone to actually hate them.    

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General Off-Topic Board / Re: Add a word
« on: February 15, 2007, 10:33:52 AM »
when

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General Off-Topic Board / Re: I Hate Gay People
« on: February 15, 2007, 10:27:45 AM »
Ok, I heard Hardaway's comments on Sportscenter and they definitely were wrong, especially where he said "I hate gay people" or whatever the hell he said. But he brought up the issue of having a gay dude in the locker room. Isn't that a legit point? I mean it's probably like heaven for a gay guy in a locker room for men...just imagine transplanting a guy into a locker room full of hot cheerleaders.

I never thought about this issue before, but seriously if I were a guy in a locker room I would feel a little uncomofortable with this.

i don't think it's a vital point.  if there's a gay guy in your locker room & he's checking you out & you feel uncomfortable, deal w/it.

women deal w/men checking them out & making them feel uncomfortable all the time.

Yeah, but men don't check women out in a locker room...legally at least.

but when there checking us out, they're looking @ our body parts they say way that you think a gay man would be looking @ yours.

These are all mostly valid points. Personally, if I was being paid 10 million dollars a year to throw a sphere in a circle, I think I could somehow manage.
so would i.

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General Off-Topic Board / Re: I Hate Gay People
« on: February 15, 2007, 10:19:50 AM »
Ok, I heard Hardaway's comments on Sportscenter and they definitely were wrong, especially where he said "I hate gay people" or whatever the hell he said. But he brought up the issue of having a gay dude in the locker room. Isn't that a legit point? I mean it's probably like heaven for a gay guy in a locker room for men...just imagine transplanting a guy into a locker room full of hot cheerleaders.

I never thought about this issue before, but seriously if I were a guy in a locker room I would feel a little uncomofortable with this.

i don't think it's a vital point.  if there's a gay guy in your locker room & he's checking you out & you feel uncomfortable, deal w/it.

women deal w/men checking them out & making them feel uncomfortable all the time.

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General Off-Topic Board / Re: Wow.. the weather
« on: February 15, 2007, 10:17:33 AM »
absolutely disgusting!!!!

it's freezing (17) & now there a nice combination of snow, slush & ice all over the place b/c the NYC sanitation dept slept thru the noreaster.  bastards!!

but remember, its nyc, greatest city, blah blah blah...

wow, you're stupid.

maybe, but im warm and toasty  :P

wow, you're stupid.

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General Off-Topic Board / Re: I Hate Gay People
« on: February 15, 2007, 10:17:07 AM »
If that had been a white basketball player saying that about black people there would have been a riot.

Ya think?

i think homophobia's a huge problem w/in the black community.  i think that's why there on so many "thugged out" "on the down low" type of gay men.  it's a shame.  it's not ok to be racist of course, but it seems to be ok to be sexist & homophobic.

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General Off-Topic Board / Re: Wow.. the weather
« on: February 15, 2007, 09:41:11 AM »
absolutely disgusting!!!!

it's freezing (17) & now there a nice combination of snow, slush & ice all over the place b/c the NYC sanitation dept slept thru the noreaster.  bastards!!

but remember, its nyc, greatest city, blah blah blah...

wow, you're stupid.

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