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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Which is better?
« on: July 01, 2013, 10:10:20 PM »
Again, there is no better school it is all up to your GPA and how well you do on the LSAT. So you have to ask yourself what environment well you do better in academically Miami or Canada? It is a personal choice, but I would imagine partying in Miami would be much more temping than sub-zero temperatures in Canada, but the actual institution itself will make little to no difference.

The other thing you may want to check is the grading system if one grants slightly higher grades then that may be option. The bottom line is it doesn't really matter what school you attend you have to have an excellent GPA and LSAT to attend an Ivy League Law School and if you have a 3.8 and get a 175 on the LSAT from either University you have a good shot at admission.

With that said I will say you should not put all your eggs in one basket. I know as a 18 year old kid you think getting a 4.0 will be easy and scoring in the top 5% of test takers on the LSAT is a given, but odds are you won't get a 4.0 or score in the top 5% of LSAT takers. Nothing against you personally, but just the reality of the situation.

The reason I say that is you are still quite young and there is a good chance by the time your a junior in college you will have no desire to attend law school so choose the college you think will be the best experience for four years don't base this life altering decision on the remote chance of possibility of attending an Ivy League school.

Law School Applications / Re: 146 LSAT score and 3.56 gpa
« on: July 01, 2013, 10:00:41 PM »
Probably not great unless you are a URM law schools typically go by the numbers, but there is no harm in applying. You may also want to apply early, but retake the October or February LSAT and if you get a higher score great if not you may still get accepted. The majority of schools no longer average scores so you probably have nothing to lose, but I would check with University of Mississippi first.

Where should I go next fall? / Re: Which is better?
« on: June 30, 2013, 12:49:04 PM »
To get into an Ivy League Law School you will need outstanding grades and an outstanding LSAT score. Whether you attend York University or Miami won't make much of a difference as long as you perform well.

With that said attending College in Canada or Miami will be a very different experience sub-zero temperatures or 100 degree days on the beach will be two very different environments on top of the fact you will be attending schools in different countries.

I also don't know what the tuition difference is between the two schools, but that will be worth looking into.

Finally not sure what your citizenship is, but I knew a few people that had issues with getting students Visas in law school along with trouble regarding their international transcripts. I would contact any schools your interested in and see if they have issues with processing international transcripts.

With all the negativity on various law school boards it is very easy to get demoralized and be scared away from law school or allow current law students or new attorneys struggling to get wrapped up in the negativity and feel sorry for themselves. However, I have been doing research for regarding various legal figures in history. During this project I often read about the first African American attorney in a state and I just learned about the first women to argue in the Supreme Court Belva Ann Lockwood

The things these people had to overcome is truly inspirational and as many are aware women were not allowed to vote or often even attend law school. African American's were not allowed to do a number of things as well and you read about people like   John Langston the first ever African American admitted to the Ohio State Bar who could not attend law school, but got a law license because one Judge would let him use his law library after hours.

What people can accomplish when they don't sit around and feel sorry for themselves is amazing. To any current law student or recent graduate who is sitting and complaining on sites like JD Underground,, toplawschools, about how unfair the system is needs to wake up. Maybe you didn't attend Harvard, Yale, Stanford, and people are not lined up the block to hire you, but if you want to succeed as a lawyer you don't just see a door closed and walk away you have to fight to kick it down. That is what Langston and Lockwood did they didn't say how unfair it is for women and leave it at that they did something about it. If your in some scenario where all you are doing is complaining get out and do something about it make a change, but sitting in front of computer complaining is only going to demoralize you and prevent you from accomplishing anything.

If are lucky enough to have had the opportunity to attend a law school you should consider yourselves very fortunate.  Having lived in China and other countries I know that many people simply want to get a job permit or to attend some form of education. You are not banned from applying for jobs and there are student loans available additionally the vast majority of law studnets I know did not come from Compton or some other adverse area typically you are rich, white, and have very few obstacles stand in your way. You have not need  nor  in at night to study for the bar exam or be turned away based on the color of your skin or gender.

 The amount of opportunity available to everyone today is unbelievable and when anyone has had the good fortune of being able to attend law school and sits around and feels sorry for themselves remember people like John Langston or Belva Lockwood who did not sit around and feel sorry for themselves, but overcame tremendous odds. The ball is in your court and a law school gives you a ticket to a law license do something with it other than complain on the internet.

Additionally, if anyone was intelligent enough to get into an ABA law school and pass the bar they are intelligent enough to figure out the problems they are facing. However, nothing will be handed to you and there are flaws in a number of systems today, but go out and do something to change them don't sit on an internet discussion board saying how hard it is to find a job. Lockwood petitioned the Supreme Court to simply be allowed to argue she did not sit in her home or a coffeshop complaining to anyone that might listen.

I hope this post will encourage young attorneys to realize how lucky they are to have had the opportunity to attend law school and encourage OL's who really want to attend law school to not be scared of all the negativity you read. The truth is you make your own luck and create your own path do not be discouraged by the incessant ramblings of anonymous internet posters about how hard everything is just use your common sense if you choose to pursue a legal career and realize it will be a challenge, but if your up for the challenge it can be a very rewarding career.

Stepping off Soapbox. :)

The reality is until you have an LSAT score you cannot really know what your chances are.  Law School Admissions is 90% about the numbers all the other things you mention are good, but they are similar to what every other law school applicant has to offer. The thing to realize is that law students were the stars of undergrad and they all want to attend law school. The great equalizer is the LSAT and until you receive a real LSAT score and not a practice one it is pure speculation.

I also want to let you know as an attorney myself that you should not get to hung up on law school rankings or a particular school. Remember that at any ABA school you will learn the same exact same thing whether you attend SMU or South Texas your first year will consist of Torts, Contracts, Property, etc and you will read Supreme Court cases and the Supreme Court doesn't write different opinions for different law schools.

I wish you the best of luck getting into the school of your choice, but do not get to hung up rankings. Additionally it is a waste of time to speculate whether you can get into a school without having an LSAT score. If you get a 170 with a 3.8 your in a 150 with a 3.8 probably not. Additionally do not be discouraged if you do not score a 160 on the LSAT that puts you in the top 80% of LSAT takers and there is an 80% chance you will not finish in the top 80%. Also remember that people who show up for the LSAT are college graduates who were motivated enough to take the LSAT and the people taking the test are smarter than the general population.

If you score a 150 or above you have a chance at getting into an ABA school, which is an accomplishment and something that majority of people can't do. Again, good luck and stay focused on getting the highest LSAT you can.

Happy to offer some insight and remember whether you re attend or not is a highly personal decision and you have to really ask yourself what you plan on doing differently this time around and whether you really want to be a lawyer.

Distance Education Law Schools / Re: Mid-Atlantic School of Law
« on: June 23, 2013, 02:11:59 PM »
I don't think CBA schools are a scam and they implement more or less the same program as an ABA school. I also think the FYLSE is a good idea for all law schools as I know many ABA grads from various school that never passed the bar being exposed to the pressure of a bar exam early on would be a good idea.

Additionally ABA schools never tell you how much to study having been through a an ABA J.D. program I imagine a CBA school is more or less the same. If you want to be a lawyer you have to use judgment and common sense and be realistic about your workload. If you attend an ABA or CBA school you will have to bu** your ass to get through school and more importantly the bar exam.

I do not know anything about this Mid-Atlantic School of Law, but I think any school that is purely online is a scam that is not the case with CBA schools. My point is that CBA schools are not the best option, but they are certainly better than a online school and for the most part if you want to only be in California they will likely provide the same educational program as an ABA program.

Additionally whether you make it in the legal profession will be much more up to you and your dedication than the school you attend.

Where should I go next fall? / Re: GGU Law vs. USF Law
« on: June 21, 2013, 08:49:49 PM »
Happy to help if you want to know more about either school feel free to PM message me and I can put you into contact with current students or alumni from either school. Or keep posting on this board to share the info with others. There is no wrong decision here, but law school is a huge life change and it could go great or terribly, but if being a lawyer is the path you want to pursue either of these schools will get you a ticket to the bar exam and  law license. What you do after that will be up to you.

Where should I go next fall? / Re: soft factors
« on: June 19, 2013, 06:43:05 PM »
Eagle Scout and 8 years of employment etc is not going to help much it won't hurt, but everyone in law school has done similar or more impressive things. Remember these admission committees are looking at 4,000-5,000 applications all from college graduates who performed quite well and are now motivated enough to attend law school. Being an Eagle Scout won't hurt you and may be of minor help, but that will just be seen as normal. 8 years working in a child-support office again it will not hurt, but it sounds you were employed for the last 8 years, which is great, but if the applicants are not coming straight from law school they are typically employed doing something.

Your URM status might help that is something an admissions committee can really look at just like GPA/LSAT. I know African America URM's get big jumps and I imagine Native American's would as well since they are so underrepresented in the legal profession, which is unfortunate and something schools are trying to remedy. If they see your GPA/LSAT and URM status that could help.

Just really put yourselves in the shoes of a member of the admissions committee who are looking at thousands of applications all with good grades, good stories, etc all of them tend to blend in unless it is a truly inspirational story or some huge accomplishment. Otherwise they just look to the numbers 161 LSAT is better than 156 a 3.4 GPA is better than a 3.1 they don't bother to look at majors, colleges, etc typically there is just an overload of information so they go straight to the numbers and they may look at URM Status as well, but working at a hospital for a few years, being an eagle scout, or getting a master's degree will not make you stick out from the crowd it will help you keep up with the crowd, but not catch anyone's attention.

Where should I go next fall? / Re: soft factors
« on: June 19, 2013, 02:12:41 PM »
To be frank law schools care very little about soft factors unless you have done something newsworthy i.e. been an NFL football player, Navy Seal, Astronaut, or something that the school could brag about.

Getting a higher GPA in a master's program is not newsworthy and more importantly would likely be a waste of time and money if your ultimate goal is to attend law school. Furthermore, your numbers in master's programs do not matter as far as I know, but check with any schools you are interested in. The reality is most graduate programs give very high grades and law schools know this.

I am a lawyer and I have friends who sit on admissions committees and they just look at undergrad GPA & LSAT since that is what they have to report to the ABA.

I would recommend taking the LSAT and doing as well as you can. If your still in undergrad then do everything you can to boost it, but if you graduated your UGPA is your UGPA.

Remember not everyone gets into Harvard, but you can still have a successful legal career no matter what school you attend. I would advice you to prepare for the LSAT get as a high a score as possible and go in with your UGPA.

I would highly advice you not to waste tuition money and a year of your life in a master's program in hopes that you will get into a better law school.

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