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Agree with Irrx there were people in my law school that got DUI's and were admitted to law school and passed there moral character exam and others who had arrests. The only way you can really screw it up is by not disclosing these things. By honest forthcoming and apologetic it shouldn't be a problem, but one thing you should NOT DO is fail to disclose this in your law school application.  The one thing that will hurt you is lying that is something every State Bar Association will take seriously.

These events certainly won't help you, but they won't hurt you that much if your forthcoming and honest about these violations.

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Where should I go next fall? / Re: Did I make the right decision?
« on: July 16, 2013, 09:11:20 PM »
First off realize this is your life and you know better than any anonymous internet poster giving advice on this board or others myself included. With that said I am an attorney and think there are some factors that every 0L should consider when choosing a law school. These factors are in the following order (1) Location (2) Cost (3) Personal Feelings about the School (4) What you want out of your legal career (5) U.S. News Rankings and not necessarily a factor, but understanding the reality of legal education. Each of these factors are analyzed below.

1) Location
It does sound like you have this pretty well established and you will be studying in New York. I see many students consider Gonzaga or Miami and not understanding the vast differences between the two locations. So this is not as big a factor in your decision, but living in New York I imagine you realize the difference between attending a law school located in upper Manhattan v. Bedstudy Brooklyn, but this goes more to factor 3 than 1.

2. Cost
This is a major factor and the scholarship is something to consider Brooklyn is 48k per year and Fordham is actually cheaper at 47k per year according to LSAC, but 45k pear year from Brooklyn will result in almost no debt for you, which would be amazing. However, BEWARE OF SCHOLARSHIP CONDITIONS this often mislead law students. Many law schools will give you a condition such as you must maintain a 3.0 GPA or finish in some percentage of the class. The 3.0 requirement is usually the most tricky almost every incoming law student at any ABA school obtained a 3.0 while in undergrad in their sleep. Therefore, 100% of 0L's believe they will get a 3.0 in law school. However, unlike undergrad law school has a curve typically schools allow only 35% of their class to have a 3.0 GPA at the end of first year. Everybody could do A work, but only 35% of the class will get A's bottom line.

Even knowing that 100% of incoming law students at any ABA school are smart, hard-working, and motivated and on the first day 100% of students will truly believe they will be in the top 10% and there is no way they could finish outside the top 35%, but that will be the case for 65% of the students. So bottom line check out what if any conditions are part of this Brooklyn Scholarship. If it is a full ride no conditions attached that is really something to consider, but schools like everyone else don't generally hand out 100k without some stipulation. So I would ask as many questions about the condition as possible if you don't ask they won't tell you. Additionally this NY times article does a good job explaining the system. http://www.lawschooldiscussion.org/index.php?topic=4027890.msg5406028#new

3) Personal Feelings about the School
In your situation with Location and cost being a major issue I don't know if this is an important, but it is something to consider. Each school has a culture to it as 0L there were many schools I liked and others I didn't. I have been to both Fordham and Brooklyn Law school and the campuses are very different as are the cultures of each school. I think Fordham is a much more prestigious school and if you want to be in a BigLaw environment etc that is probably the better environment for you. More of a streetfighter type litigator etc might prefer Brooklyn. I don't know you personally and nobody knows what will suit your style better than yourself so visit both schools talk to professors, students, tour the campus, etc and see what school feels right for you.


4) What you want out of your legal career

You mention Big Law aspirations and certainly Fordham will provide more BigLaw opportunities than Brooklyn although I don't think Fordham competes with Harvard, Yale, NYU, Columbia etc, so odds are you will not land a big law job from either school, but Fordham will provide a fighting chance Brooklyn probably not. 

However, I know plenty of people that wanted Big Law and went into it and couldn't stand it. If you pass up the money for Fordham you may be stuck in a job you hate. I would try and reach out to some big law lawyers and see if it really is something you want. The paychecks sound great, but many are utterly misreable I have many Harvard friends who left after a year or two to go in-house, work for the AG, or various other jobs and they might have been better served taking scholarship money opposed to the Harvard education. Again, it is up to you.

5) U.S. News Rankings:
Remember this is a for-profit unregulated magazine offering an opinion nothing more so don't make a life altering decision based on it. To be perfectly honest I don't even know if Fordham is ranked higher than Brooklyn, but I know the campus is much nicer at Fordham, which shows how much ranking matters in the real world. You can certainly consider it, but the rankings change so much year to year and the rankings are truly based on nothing other than people filling out scantrons of 1-5 on schools they never interacted with. That is the system so don't take it to seriously.

6) Reality of Legal Education
A final point to understand is that at any ABA school you will learn the same thing. Whether you attend Fordham or Brooklyn your first year will consist of Torts, Contracts, Property, Civil Procedure, etc and in these courses you will read Supreme Court cases. Palsgraf f to learn proximate cause in Torts, Pennoyer v. Neff to learn about Notice in Civ pro, International Shoe to learn about personal jurisdiction, Hadley v. Baxendale to learn about contract remedies so on and so on. So there really isn't a "better education" the law is the law.

At the end of your three years you will then sign up for Barbri or Kaplan to help you with Bar Review then you will sit in a class with law students from Touro, NYLS, Brooklyn, Fordham, NYU, Columbia, and Cardozo then you after months of studying you will go into a room with 1,000 or so other bar takers from the same schools and hope you pass the exam. If you do you will then be granted a bar card whether you attended Touro or Columbia if you fail you will be given one. If you get one you will have a license to practice law and what you do with that will depend much more on you than the name of the school on your diploma.

Conclusion:
I am some guy on the internet and this decision will impact 3 years of your life, 100k + of your money, and shape your legal career. Therefore, I will not even think of telling you what to do, but find out what the scholarship conditions are first and foremost then consider the factors above along with anything else you deem important when making your choice.

Congrats on your acceptances to law school and good luck in your legal career.

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This is a difficult decision and realize that this is your life so take any anonymous internet poster advice on this board or others mine included with a grain of salt. With that said I am an attorney and have some experience, but I have never been to Boston or set foot on the Georgetown Campus, but I think there are some universal principals any 0L should consider when choosing a law school that I will outline below.

When choosing a law school I believe a student should consider the following factors in this order (1) Location of school. (2) Cost of School. (3) Personal Feelings about the School (4) Last and least U.S. News Rankings. (5) You should also be aware of the reality of legal education and all of these I will outline below.

Location:
From your post it appears you are interested in working in the New England Area and I assume that you are either living in the New Engalnd or want to live in the New England Area. This is important to know since whatever law school you attend you will be spending a minimum of three years of your life there and more than likely the majority of your legal career will be spent in that location.

So you have to ask yourself where would you rather live for three years and maybe spend a substantial part of your life D.C. or Boston? Both have different pros and cons, but you have family and friends in Boston that will make your law school experience easier and also remember that whatever shcool you attend it does exist in a vaccuum whatever friends, family, connections you have in either location is something to consider as is the culture of each City. Which one do you feel more comfortable living in that is a question only you can answer and especially over three years you are likely to get an apartment you like, enter a relationship, etc and you will likely stay in the City you attend law school. Again, what City you like more is a question only you can answer.

2. Cost
Georgetown is 46k per year in tuition while Boston is cheaper and 15k improves the cost factor even more. However, one thing to look at is the condition on the 15k scholarship I am guessing like most law schools it requires a GPA requirement or you to attain a certain class rank. The most common stipulation I see is a 3.0 GPA requirement, which most 0L's think will be a breeze to attain, but unlike undergrad law school has a mandatory curve and generally only 35% of the class can have a 3.0 GPA. Again like most 0L's you and 100% of  your classmates will sincerely believe they will be in the top 10% and there is no way you could possibly finish in outside of the top 35%, but students at every ABA law school are smart, hard-working, and motivated. So there is a 65% chance you will not finish in the top 35% and you will lose the scholarship for years two and three. So if this is scholarship is an option ask as many question as possible regarding the conditions.

Then look at the cost of both schools and consider how much debt you are going into. These are large numbers and if there are favorable conditions a total of 45k over three years and the cheaper cost of BU tuition is something to consider, but again it is a question you have to answer for yourself.

3. Personal Feelings about School
It sounds like you enjoy the prospect of attending BU and I can tell you from my experience as a OL and participating in mock trial competitions that each school has a culture to it and some you will like others you will not. Again that is personal I know there were some schools I loved and others I hated, but you may have loved what I hated and hated what I loved. It is three years of your life so make sure you will enjoy the school visit both campuses, talk to students, professors, and see how you personally feel about them don't listen to internet posters, magazines, etc it is your life and nobody knows better than you what environment will suit you best.

4) U.S. News
I personally think rankings are absolutely irrelevant as it is a for-profit unregulated magazine offering an opinion, but Georgetown is a school that has a national reputation and can open the door to BigLaw, Federal Clerkships, and other opportunities that may not be as easily available from BU, but are those positions you are even interested in? If you want to be a public defender, D.A, or City Attorney, Family lawyer, or something else then paying the extra money for Georgetown doesn't make any sense. However, if you aspire to join up with Cravath, or O'Melveny & Meyers or some other firm then I think Georgetown will provide you with more opportunities than BU will.

However, for the majority of legal jobs they want you to pass the bar. Georgetown will give you a leg up in many positions, but there will be some positions that will think your overqualified. Again, I don't know your professional goals, but that is something to consider.

Reality of Legal Education
At BU, Georgetown, or any other school you will learn the same thing. Your first year will be torts, contracts, civil procedure, etc and you will read Supreme Court cases and they do not write seperate opinions for different schools. At the end of your three years whether you attend BU, Georgetown or any other school you will then likely use BarBri or Kaplan along with every other law student in America to pass the bar exam. If you succeed on the bar you will then be given a law license.

Conclusion:
Choosing a law school is a difficult prospect and certainly Georgetown has a prestige factor that is something to consider, but listen to your gut when visiting the schools, consider costs, and what city you want to live in. There is no right answer and both are great options congrats on your acceptances and good luck whatever you decide.

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Black Law Student Discussion Board / Re: Chance at FSU?
« on: July 10, 2013, 12:26:17 PM »
Well one thing to careful about with scholarships is the condition that are attached. Typically it will be something alone the lines of maintaining a 3.0 GPA for your first year to maintain your full-ride for years 2 & 3. As a 0L unfamiliar with law school getting a 3.0 sounds like a piece of cake, but most schools only allow 35% of the class to have a 3.0 at the end of first year. Again as someone that was admitted to law school you and 100% of your classmates at any school will be smart, hard-working, and motivated and 100% of them on the first day think they will be in the top 10% of the class and there is no way they would not finish in the top 35%, but there is a 65% chance you will not finish in the top 35% and a 50% chance you will finish in the bottom half of the class. Nothing against you just the simple realities of law school. I think the NY times does a better job explaining the merit scholarship system than I can in this article. http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/01/business/law-school-grants.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0 . They really rip Golden Gate in this article, but this practice is done by almost every law school I am aware of.

The bottom line is whatever scholarship you receive look at the conditions and ASK QUESTIONS about it. Law school is a business and they will do whatever they can to attract you to the school and do what they can within the rules to get the scholarship removed. I don't think it is a shady practice personally and as a law student you need to really ask questions about whatever conditions there are.

As for Bar Passage and Employment Stats again I think those are highly misleading as well. If a school has a below 50% rate then an issue might be present, but the reality is passing the bar is far more up to the individual than the school. As I mentioned at any of these schools you will learn the same exact thing then enroll in Barbri or Kaplan and the bar is "f****ng hard and you have to put in probably 10 hours a day for 2 months straight and no school can force you do that it will be up to you.

The same with finding a job none of these schools will result in the red carpet being rolled out for you and it will be up to you to find a job. Honestly, most normal people I have meet from every caliber of law school in the Bay Area wind up with a legal job of some sort. I never been to Florida so maybe it is different there, but I imagine it is pretty similar to the Bay Area. Also remember the stats mean very little as they can be manipulated to no end and most importantly law grads are under no obligation to report their employment and once studying for the bar and starting out as a lawyer you will be hustling and not want to spend the time to fill out an employment survey that is voluntary.

Some people do I didn't when I graduated I meant to, but I imagine you have had many things in your life where you say I will send that Birthday Card or make that phone call and days turn into weeks turn into months and the report never gets sent in. The majority of my classmates did the same thing so these stats are not very accurate since the majority of students don't report.

So with all that you want to visit all the schools on your list and see what the conditions on scholarships are if you can have guaranteed In-State tuition that is pretty awesome as the pressure will be off. Make sure you could live in Miami , Fort Lauderdale, or Tallahassee for three years and make sure the school is a good fit for you.

Most importantly of all there is no right answer to what school to choose there is no secret at any of these schools if you graduate you will be able to take the bar exam and become a lawyer. What you do with your law license will be much more up to you than the name on your diploma.




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I respectfully dissent I think if you are going into law school your smart enough to ask questions. Additionally the vast majority of students receive no scholarship money at all so even the ones that lose money did save thousands on their first year tuition. 

Maybe I am to harsh, but I don't have a lot of sympathy for aspiring lawyers that do not check in on details such as conditions involved with maintaining $50,000-$100,000 scholarships. If these were high school seniors enrolling as Freshman in undergrad it would be a little different, but that sort of thing happens all the time in College Sports where students lose their athletic scholarships due to injury, poor performance, etc. I imagine academic scholarships are revoked all the time in undergrad as well, which is more of an issue. However, law students are college graduates who write personal statements about how amazing they are and are one day going to be lawyers you better learn to ask questions and not assume everything is going to be ok if your going into the legal profession it is your job to make sure people know what they are getting into and if you can't take care of yourself why would someone hire you to take care of them?

Maybe a little harsh, but I think law students complain to much particularly at my alma matter law school, which is listed here. When I was offered $90,000 plus in scholarship based on having a 3.0 I asked the question of what does it take to have a 3.0 and I was told point blank. If you don't ask they are not going to tell you and like anything else law school is a business first and foremost from Harvard to Cooley if you don't pay your tuition they won't do you any favors.


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Black Law Student Discussion Board / Re: Chance at FSU?
« on: July 08, 2013, 12:23:28 PM »
Lawschoolnumbers is pretty accurate, but you never know. If your a Florida resident don't forget about Floria International, which is only 12k or so a year if your a Florida resident.

Please don't get to caught up in the rankings as an attorney myself I can tell you they mean very little unless you were dealing with Harvard, Yale, Stanford, but like 98% of law students those are nto options.  Bottom line is Florida State is not going to have people knocking down your doors it is a fine school, but the reality is that at any ABA school you learn the same exact thing. Your first year will consist of Torts, Contracts, Property, Civil Procedure, and Criminal Law maybe Crim Pro or Con Law instead taking the other ones in 2L. In these courses you will read Supreme Court cases and the Supreme Court does not write separate opinions for different ranked schools. You will read Palsgraff in Torts to learn proximate cause, Pennoyer v. Neff to learn notice etc.

At the end of your three years you will take Barbri or Kaplan to assist you with the Florida Bar and you will be a classroom with Miami, Florida Coastal, Florida State, Florida, Barry, and schools across the country listening to Epstein's lecture on contracts. If you pass the bar you will get a bar card and it will not list your law school rank you will have a license to practice law and what you do with that is up to you.

As an additional point remember U.S. News is a for-profit, unregulated magazine, offering an opinion so don't make a life altering choice based on it. The formula they use makes almost no sense as 60% of the ranking consists of people filling out Scrantons on a scale of 1-5 regarding schools they have never dealt with. U.S. News also ranks more than law schools New Mexico is teh best place to live http://money.usnews.com/money/personal-finance/slideshows/best-places-to-live are you going to move there because they have a balloon festival? Probably not, but maybe you love balloon festivals just don't let U.S. News make a life altering decision for you.

I think FSU, Florida, and FIU are the best schools to attend in Florida based on in-state tuition. Miami, Barry, Florida Coastal, Stetson, and Nova are all three times as much per year so FIU in my mind is a way better deal, but visit all the schools and talk to professors, admins, students, and make sure the school is a fit as each school does have a culture to it and make sure it suits your style.

Congrats on taking all the steps to apply to law school and good luck.


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I think I responded to another post of yours, but to sum it up there is so such thing as a "best" school. There are a few schools that have a national reputation for being outstanding Harvard, Yale, Stanford, but that has more to do with the difficulty of being admitted opposed to the actual education. Simply put at any law school you will learn the law and read Supreme Court Cases the ABA has certain requirements that must be met and there will be required courses to take, which will include Torts, Civil Procedure, Property, Criminal Procedure, Constitutional Law, Contracts, and a few others. Then odds are you will take the electives that will be on the bar Wills & Trusts, Corporations/Business Associations, Evidence, Remedies, Family Law/Community Property (whatever the indiviudal state deems it.

At the end of your three years of law school you will then signup for BarBri or Kaplan to as a bar course and be in the same course as law students around the Country. So there is no "Best School" and remember that U.S. News Magazine is nothing more than a for-profit, unregulated, magazine offering an opinion. U.S. News has also ranked Alberquue, New Mexico as the best place to live 1.   http://money.usnews.com/money/personal-finance/slideshows/best-places-to-live (A major reason being the hot-air balloon festival this is obviously important to the U.S. News magazine writer, but I have no interest in Hot-Air Ballon Festivals or living in New Mexico so it is not the "Best" place for me and I imagine you will not having post graduation plans of living in New Mexico because U.S. News says it is the best.

Use that same common sense when choosing a law school so many 0L's myself included when I was a 0L overthink the law school process, but thankfully I had practicing attorneys talk me out of moving to Michigan for law school when I wanted to work in the Bay Area. My reasoning was Michigan State was the 84th best school and that would obviously open far more doors than attending the 108th best school, but low and behold the School I attended is now ranked higher than Michigan State again showing the arbitrariness of the rankings.

What you need to do is choose the "Best" law school for you and it sounds like that may be South Carolina. You should also look into costs and potential scholarships, but also look at the conditions of any scholarship you receive often it will require something like maintaining a 3.0 GPA, which every 0L thinks they will achieve with ease. However, law school is nothing like undergrad and typically only 35% of the class can have a 3.0 this means there is a 65% chance you will not be in the top 35%. Again, 100% of law students at every ABA school are smart, hard-working, motivated and absolutely certain they will finish in the top 10% of the class and there is absoultey no way they will finish in the bottom 65% of the class, but you don't need to be a math major to see what happens when 100% of people think they will be in the top of the class. I think this New York Times Article does a good job of explaining the system http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/01/business/law-school-grants.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0 . This is implemented by law schools nationwide so when considering costs and scholarship options look at the CONDITIONS.

In the end there is no "Best School", but there will be a best school for you. Consider what City you want to live in for three years, how much each school will cost, and visit the school to see if it is a good fit for you although the education is the same at each law school the culture is different and you want to be at a school you will feel comfortable at. I know there were some schools I hated others I loved, but that was my own personal feeling and nobody knows better than you what will work best for you so visit the schools, talk to professors, students, admins, etc and listen to your gut to determine what feels right.

Do not and I repeat do not use U.S. News Rankings as anything other than a tie-breaker for schools when making life altering decision of where to live for the next years, how much money to spend on school, and what school culture works best for you. The system U.S. News uses to rank law schools makes little to no sense as it is primarily based on lawyers filling out scrantons from 1-5 about schools they have never heard of. Certainly, Harvard, Yale, Stanford, Columbia etc are nationally known schools, but like 95% of all other practicing lawyers you ill not be attending a top 10 school with a 155 LSAT, but you can have a successful legal career just make sure you go to the "Best School for you" good luck.

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I think I responded to another post of yours, but to sum it up there is so such thing as a "best" school. There are a few schools that have a national reputation for being outstanding Harvard, Yale, Stanford, but that has more to do with the difficulty of being admitted opposed to the actual education. Simply put at any law school you will learn the law and read Supreme Court Cases the ABA has certain requirements that must be met and there will be required courses to take, which will include Torts, Civil Procedure, Property, Criminal Procedure, Constitutional Law, Contracts, and a few others. Then odds are you will take the electives that will be on the bar Wills & Trusts, Corporations/Business Associations, Evidence, Remedies, Family Law/Community Property (whatever the indiviudal state deems it.

At the end of your three years of law school you will then signup for BarBri or Kaplan to as a bar course and be in the same course as law students around the Country. So there is no "Best School" and remember that U.S. News Magazine is nothing more than a for-profit, unregulated, magazine offering an opinion. U.S. News has also ranked Alberquue, New Mexico as the best place to live 1.   http://money.usnews.com/money/personal-finance/slideshows/best-places-to-live (A major reason being the hot-air balloon festival this is obviously important to the U.S. News magazine writer, but I have no interest in Hot-Air Ballon Festivals or living in New Mexico so it is not the "Best" place for me and I imagine you will not having post graduation plans of living in New Mexico because U.S. News says it is the best.

Use that same common sense when choosing a law school so many 0L's myself included when I was a 0L overthink the law school process, but thankfully I had practicing attorneys talk me out of moving to Michigan for law school when I wanted to work in the Bay Area. My reasoning was Michigan State was the 84th best school and that would obviously open far more doors than attending the 108th best school, but low and behold the School I attended is now ranked higher than Michigan State again showing the arbitrariness of the rankings.

What you need to do is choose the "Best" law school for you and it sounds like that may be South Carolina. You should also look into costs and potential scholarships, but also look at the conditions of any scholarship you receive often it will require something like maintaining a 3.0 GPA, which every 0L thinks they will achieve with ease. However, law school is nothing like undergrad and typically only 35% of the class can have a 3.0 this means there is a 65% chance you will not be in the top 35%. Again, 100% of law students at every ABA school are smart, hard-working, motivated and absolutely certain they will finish in the top 10% of the class and there is absoultey no way they will finish in the bottom 65% of the class, but you don't need to be a math major to see what happens when 100% of people think they will be in the top of the class. I think this New York Times Article does a good job of explaining the system http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/01/business/law-school-grants.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0 . This is implemented by law schools nationwide so when considering costs and scholarship options look at the CONDITIONS.

In the end there is no "Best School", but there will be a best school for you. Consider what City you want to live in for three years, how much each school will cost, and visit the school to see if it is a good fit for you although the education is the same at each law school the culture is different and you want to be at a school you will feel comfortable at. I know there were some schools I hated others I loved, but that was my own personal feeling and nobody knows better than you what will work best for you so visit the schools, talk to professors, students, admins, etc and listen to your gut to determine what feels right.

Do not and I repeat do not use U.S. News Rankings as anything other than a tie-breaker for schools when making life altering decision of where to live for the next years, how much money to spend on school, and what school culture works best for you. The system U.S. News uses to rank law schools makes little to no sense as it is primarily based on lawyers filling out scrantons from 1-5 about schools they have never heard of. Certainly, Harvard, Yale, Stanford, Columbia etc are nationally known schools, but like 95% of all other practicing lawyers you ill not be attending a top 10 school with a 155 LSAT, but you can have a successful legal career just make sure you go to the "Best School for you" good luck.

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Law School Applications / Re: Chances for these Law Schools
« on: July 03, 2013, 01:27:29 PM »
I agree with Maintain you really need to understand that law school does not exist in a vaccuum and the location you choose will be where you spend a minimum of three years of your life and most likely the entirey of your legal career. If you attend Syracuse you will take the New York bar and after you take one bar you will not be anxious to take another.

Additionally, three years is a long time and while in law school you will likely enter into a realtionship and if you already have a spouse they will build roots over three years as well you. Picking up and moving after three years is tough especially since all your legal connections will be local and if you attend Syracuse all your connections and your school's connectiosn will be up in Upstate New York and all the Law Students that attended South Carolina will have a significant advantage over you.

I am an attorney and I just reviewed a number of resumes and frankly people applying from out-of-state or out of area law schools I didn't want to bother with. I am in the Bay Area and there is Hastings, Golden Gate, USF, Santa Clara, Davis, and McGeorge applicants who live close enough to actually move. I received resumes from Michigan State, Gonzaga, Florida State etc and just practically I don't want to have the conversation of them asking we will fly them in and I imagine they are more likely to take a job in Michigan, Washington, or Florida so if we even offered it to them there is a good chance they won't take it.

The name of the school is not that impressive and at any ABA school you will learn the same exact thing if a Harvard or Yale resume came across my desk then maybe I would consider flying them out, but if I saw any of the schools you are considering for a job in the Bay Area I would not take it seriously. Not that these are bad schools if I had a firm in South Carolina I would actively recruit from University of South Carolina and not look at resumes from Bay Area Schools.

Also remember that U.S. News should be taken very seriously particularly with schools of this caliber it is a magazine nothing more and at any ABA school you will learn the same thing and your first year will consist of Torts, Contracts, Property, etc and you will read Supreme Court cases the Supreme Court does not write seperate opinions for different law schools and in your first year you will read Palsgraff to learn Proximate Cause, Pennoyer v. Neff to learn about Notice, Hadley v. Baxendale for Contract Remedies so on and so on.

One final piece of advice is to visit each of these schools and get a sense of how you fit in. Although, the law is the same each school has a culture to it and I know as a 0L and having competed in a lot of mock trial competitions different schools have very different cultures some I liked others I didn't. Maybe as analyogy I see your a Marine and in the armed forces and the Army, Navy, Coast Guard, and Air Force are also armed forces, but have different cultures I would imagine. Same for law schools I know there were some I liked and others I hated, but you probably think much differenlty than I do. So visit the schools talk to professors, walk around the campus, talk to students, and talk to administrators and see how you feel about the school. After visiting some schools I knew I did not want to attend school there and others I loved, but that is me and this your life altering decision don't let a magazine make it for you.

Good luck in legal career and excuse the typos sneaking in a little Law School Discussion Post at work doesn't allow me much time to edit.


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Job Search / Re: Power of connections versus GPA in OCI job prospects
« on: July 02, 2013, 12:16:37 AM »
First off realize I along with anyone else posting on this board is nothing more than an anonymous internet poster so take anything I or anyone else on this board says with a grain of salt.

With that said I am an attorney and can tell you law school grades/rank of law school etc doesn't mean all that much. I graduated in the top 10% of my class, but people were not begging to hire me, but I applied places and got offers. Some of my friends in the bottom 25% of the class and went through the same situation and all the grades, U.S. News law school rankings etc seem like a big deal when your in law school, but in the real world they don't matter much.

What really matters is you passing the bar and having a law license once that is done it is up to you what you do with it. Remember you bar card doesn't say what your Contracts grade was and frankly a judge won't care if you got the highest grade in Contracts or not. Just don't over think grades etc there a few firms and federal clerkships that might care about that, but only 2-3% of grads nationwide work in BigLaw or get Federal Clerkships so don't stress there is plenty of legal work out there.

Now in response your question about dropping out I don't see why that is necessary. It sounds like you enjoy the law and if that is the case you will likely enjoy being a lawyer. However, like any other profession out there starting out is tough whether you continue your legal education or go into some other field you will start with an entry level position and have to work your way up, but it sounds like you enjoy law school so stay.

Good luck!

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