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Law School Admissions / Re: 3.2 GPA LSAT???
« on: August 02, 2013, 09:19:56 AM »
You will get it done just focus on getting the highest LSAT score you can and worry about the Bills etc when you have realistic options. It is quite common to put the cart in front of the horse when thinking about law school, but there is really no point of thinking about the tuition, right school, etc until you actually have an LSAT score and know what your options are. Thinking of those things becomes more of a distraction to the LSAT just do your best if you do terrible then law school is not in the cards if you do alright you can get in if you do great you may get in with scholarship money. However, nothing is concrete until you have a score.

Good luck.

Minority and Non-Traditional Law Students / Re: Should I proceed?
« on: August 01, 2013, 07:08:18 PM »
You absolutely have a chance at law school admission to either SMU or Texas Wesleyan the Dallas Schools with your GPA assuming your LSAT turns out ok, which I imagine it will.

Once you get your LSAT score you will be in a unique situation and if I was you, which I am not I might consider Wesleyan over SMU, because it is 14k per year cheaper resulting in a minimum of 42,000 in savings over three yeras. Additionally, you are much more likely to get a merit based scholarship from Wesleyan than SMU I know when I was a 0L I had a lower GPA than you, but a decent LSAT score and was offered a 15k per year scholarship so it would have only been 13,000 per year, which is not bad. SMU is 42k per year and your are less liekly to recieve scholarship money from there.

Money will be a big concern since you are starting at a later age and will have less time to recopu your investment and having to support two kids in College you will not want the money to dry up.

I also think you should know that at any ABA law school the education is identical, which I believe might differ from Medical School. In medical school there is equipment, labs, etc, which I believe would result in some schools clearly being better than others. However, in law school all you do is read Supreme Court Cases from a book there is no equipment etc you just read the same casebook written by the big time professors. At almost any law school you will read the Con Law book written by Chemerinsky and read the Marbury v. Madison, Lemon, etc cases, which all say the same thing.

At the end of your three years you will then sign up for BarBri or Kaplan and be in a room with law students from all the different schools again learning the same thing.

Additionally, with your desire to be in health law you would probably be a shoe in with an M.D. and J.D. that is very rare so I think your much better off going to the cheaper school.

However, you do want to visit the schools and see if they are a fit. Although the education is the same schools do have different cultures and you should talk to students, professors, admins, and walk around the school to see if it is a fit for you. If you really feel good about SMU and not Wesleyan then SMU may be worth the extra money.

Good luck whatever you decide.

First realize I or anyone else posting on this board or others knows nothing about you, your situation, or what is best for you take any anonymous internet poster's advice mine included with a grain of salt.

With that intro I am a lawyer that has gone through law school and think there are some factors any 0L should consider and it should be done in this order (1) Location (2) Cost (3) Personal Feelings about the School

It sounds like you are not taking rankings into consideration, which is good particular for schools of this caliber U.S. News is a for-profit unregulated magazine offering an opinion which is not something you should make a life altering decision upon. I also hope you understand the education you receive at any of the three schools mentioned all of which are ABA approved will be similar. Legal education is pretty much the same across the board your first year will be Torts, Contracts, Civ Pro etc and whether your at New York Law School, Mercer, or Southern the Supreme Court will not have written a separate opinion. 

Below is an analysis of why the factors matter.

1) Location
It sounds like you understand the importance of location, which is good news. From your post I take it you have lived in Louisiana your entire life and I will you NY may be a bit of shock and difficult to adjust to. Additionally, you will not have your family or friends close by, which may result in homesickness and that combined with the rigors of law school can be a disaster. However, you may thrive in the new environment it depends on the type of person you are can you just go out and meet people or are you more shy and reserved. Those are things to consider.

From my post I also get the impression you want to be away from your family a bit and on your own and moving out of state for law school is a good way to do that. However, if you move to New York odds are you will remain in New York for the rest of your legal career. You will likely take the NY Bar,  obtain internships in NY, NY Law School will have NY connections not Louisiana ones so on and so forth. The same logic applies to Mercer.

I would visit all the Cities if you haven't already and see what feels right.

2) Cost
Southern is one of the Cheapest law schools in America at only 10k a year for resident and 18k a year in living expenses, which is a good thing at NYLS you will pay 47k for tuition which is nearly 5 times a much as Southern and 23K in living expenses and I imagine that will be a bit higher living in NYC. You spread that out over three years and from Southern you will graduate with approximately 90k in debt while 225k in Debt and this is accruing interest at a rate of about 8% so you will have about 8k a year in interest accruing from Southern and about 20k a year in interest accruing at NYLS.

If you really want NY I would look into CUNY as well since their tuition is only about 10k as well and it would be significantly cheaper than NYLS.

I believe Mercer is a little more reasonably priced than NYLS, but still nowhere near as Cheap as Southern. I also imagine you could live with your parents at Southern saving you even more money.

3. Personal Feeling about Each School
A final factor to consider is how you personally feel about each school. As a 0L I visited many different schools and visited several more for mock trial competitions. Each school has a certain culture to it and whether you like the particular culture or not is a personal decision.

I would visit each school talk to professors, students, walk around the campus, etc and listen to your gut feeling about each school. I know there were some I visited that I wanted nothing to do with and others I loved, but you may hate the schools I loved. The school you attend will be 3 years of your life, 100k of your money, and your legal career so visit the schools and see which one feels right.

Good luck. 

Law School Admissions / Re: Resume - High School
« on: July 31, 2013, 08:55:56 AM »
As Haus said it probably won't matter much and almost nobody puts their high school on their law school resume. Additionally, whatever your high school is ranked is unlikely to matter to anyone in a law school admissions committee. Maybe if your applying to a local law school and you think the high school has that good of a reputation it might merit a mention, but my guess would be law school admission committees would look at your application with 4,000 others and all ask why did he put his high school on here?  Not wow X high school he must be a genius the majority of undergrad universities are unknown to most people and high schools are even less well known so they are more likely to think you misunderstood the directions on the application.

If anything I would recommend against it as it is more likely to confuse an admissions committee than impress them. However, I am just an anonymous internet poster.

I am an attorney in the Bay Area and know several Abraham Lincoln grads in fact I was in court against one today. Well Abraham Lincoln get you a job at Cravath or Federal Clerkship? No. Can you get a bar card and succeed in the legal profession with a degree from Lincoln? Yes.

It all comes down to what your expectations are for many people Lincoln Law School is a fine choice, but use common sense if your applying to this school. Realize nothing will be handed to you and you will need to hustle to succeed. I know plenty of people that have succeeded from Lincoln, but I also know plenty of people that never passed the bar.

Bottom line is if you graduate from Lincoln and pass the bar you will have a license to practice law what you do with it is up to you.

Law School Admissions / Re: 3.2 GPA LSAT???
« on: July 25, 2013, 09:10:17 AM » is a good site to look it appears with a 3.2 and 150+ you would be a shoe in and LSAC indicates their median LSAT is 152 so do as well as you can the higher your score the more scholarship money you are likely to receive.

Also don't get to down on Charleston law school I have never been to the school, but as an attorney I can tell you that any ABA school will provide you with a solid education and if you graduate and pass the bar your an attorney. Then what you do with your license to practice law is up to you.

Keep hitting the books for the LSAT and hopefully everything goes smoothly.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Northeastern vs. American WCL
« on: July 25, 2013, 08:48:30 AM »
Well said Shoreman!

Law School Admissions / Re: Going to law after pharmacy school?
« on: July 24, 2013, 01:54:16 PM »
Maintain makes some good points and two questions to ask yourself is what is a good job? If your career goal is to work at Cravath or some major law firm then T14 would be the way to go, but believe it or not 90% of practicing lawyers did not attend the top 10% of law schools. If you want to be a City Attorney, Medical Malpractice Attorney, Public Defender, the list goes on and on then you don't have to attend a T14 school and you would probably be better off getting a scholarship at a lower ranked school than attending a T14 if you aspired to be a government attorney or start your own firm etc. It all depends on what you deem a "good job".

Second as Maintain asks why do you want to go to law school? I was actually thinking of a few of my law school classmates yesterday and the ones that are least happy are those that never choose a path. I cannot tell you how many people I went to law school with that said they didn't really want to be a lawyer, which would always beg the question what are you doing here then? Sure you can learn a lot and law school can lead you into different avenues, but there are cheaper and less time constraining ways to figure out what you want than attending law school. So really ask yourself do you really want to be a lawyer if the answer is yes then go for it.

However, you should also consider your debt. I imagine pharmacy school is expensive and law school is not any cheaper and even if you got a job at a major law firm you will likely have accumulated more than $500,000 in debt that is accumulating interest.

There is no right or wrong answer, but you have to ask yourself why law school and assess your debt situation. Good luck.

If Biglaw really is your goal then I would look at the firms you are interested in working and see if they have BU graduates working there. Cravath for example has 7 BU attorneys and 14 from Georgetown just one firm, but really investigate the firms you are interested in working in and see how many graduates are working there.

I also have to ask why do you want to work in Biglaw? Do you know what Biglaw entails? If you don't I would highly recommend meeting with attorneys at BigLaw firms you are interested in contact both schools and ask for an alumni list. Meet with them ask about their jobs and see if Biglaw is really what you want. Biglaw is great for some, but for many others it is awful.

Also in reality odds are you won't end up in Biglaw from either one. You will likely need to end up in at least the top 25% of the class from either school to get into Biglaw and there is a 75% chance you will not end up in the top 25% at either school.

Also one thing you might want to consider is negotiating for more scholarship money and better scholarship conditions from BU. If you tell them you are considering Georgetown they are likely to give you more money and also pay attention to the conditions what are they to keep your 15k per year?

It is important to negotiate as 0L since you have all the bargaining power, but once you enroll it is gone so push for a little more money from BU, but once your in school your bargaining power is gone.

Again, there is no right answer and those are just some considerations.

If you look on it looks like you have a good shot. is a good site to obtain more detailed information regarding law school admission than LSAC in my opinion.

Your URM status will also help, but one thing to consider is applying to lower ranked schools and obtaining scholarship money. One thing to know is that law school rankings mean very little in the real world, but the law school debt you incur does so try to minimize it the best you can.

Good luck in your legal career.

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