Law School Discussion

Nine Years of Discussion
;

Show Posts

This section allows you to view all posts made by this member. Note that you can only see posts made in areas you currently have access to.

Messages - livinglegend

Pages: 1 2 3 4 5 [6] 7 8 9 10 11 ... 35
51
Where should I go next fall? / Re: Barry or Coastal?
« on: September 05, 2013, 08:56:55 PM »
Could not agree more with Maintain satisfaction or disappointment depends entirely on expectations. Believe it or not everyone wants the same thing and there are plenty of people that are passionate about foreclosure defense, family law, criminal law etc. Barry can certainly get you a job doing that or even as a D.A P.D etc. It is also possible to work for firms etc, but harder and some doors will be closed.

Frankly Cravath is not hiring anyone from UM or Barry. You won't find many Supreme Court Clerks fro
 Those schools either.

Reading the OP's post it sound like they have no desire to work for a big firm and want to be an attorney in Orlando certainly doable from Barry. Had the OP I want make a minimum off 100,000 k out the gate and work in a NY firm Barry would be a terrible choice, but each person has their own situations and if someone wants to be an Attorney in Orlando Barry is a fine choice, but outside of that it won't open many doors.

52
General Board / Re: LSD Needs to Modernize Site
« on: September 05, 2013, 08:29:06 PM »
To bad I always enjoyed this site it was helpful when I was OL then in law school and I enjoy posting on it now.

It is a great site and I wish it the best!

53
Where should I go next fall? / Re: Barry or Coastal?
« on: September 05, 2013, 03:24:50 PM »
Those 27 are Super Lawyers and you do not get on that list right out of law school, which is why they are graduated from 2000-2009 and there is nobody prior to 2002, because Barry was not founded until 1999. However, if you want some firms that have hired attorneys that graduated from Barry post 2010 check the links below found in a five second google search.

http://shuffieldlowman.com/attorneys/

http://www.iplawfl.com/

http://www.zkslawfirm.com/

http://www.kelattorneys.com/

Is Barry a world renowned law school? No

Can you find legal employment in Orlando? Yes

Will anything be handed to you from Barry? No

Will you learn the same thing at Barry as you do at UM, UF or any other ABA school? Yes

If your a lawyer I imagine you read International Shoe in Civil Procedure and as I did at my law school. Palsgarff in Torts etc, etc. The Supreme Court didn't spend time drafting separate opinions and the law is the law.

Bottom line is Barry is an ABA school and if you graduate then pass the bar you will have a law license. What you do with that license is up to the individual and I know there are plenty of Barry Grads that did not succeed and plenty of others that have. The same can be said of UM, UF, FSU and every single ABA school.

Again I am not trying to say Barry is some elite institution or even recommending the OP attends, but to say you should run away as fast as humanly possible and say you will either be unemployed or stuck doing foreclosure defense is a little to extreme.

However, this is an anonymous internet poster board and as I advise anyone making the life altering decision to attend law school taking anything you read on this board or others with a grain of salt. Michael Scott does a good job of explaining why in this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFBDn5PiL00

MiamiJd may be right and I have never been to Florida, but I am a licensed employed attorney in California, which like Florida has an abundance of law schools. I have also heard from many anonymous internet posters that people do not hire from certain schools. However, I appear in front of judges that went to these "schools" and I think it would be unwise to tell the judge the school they attended is awful.

Additionally, I see associates hired from these schools and I even recently hired someone from one of these schools that "nobody" hires from. I imagine the same is true in Florida and again I recommend anyone making a three year and $100,000 commitment of attending law school to speak to individuals face to face about individual schools and hiring practices.

Anonymous internet posters myself included can say whatever they want for all anyone knows I am the Dean of Harvard Law School or I could be a bum in a public library using the free internet to claim I am an attorney.  Or claim to be an associate who has to bill 2,100 hours and know everything about the Florida Legal Market essentially anyone on the internet can be whoever they want to be.

You can obtain some helpful advice on these boards, but take everything with a grain of salt.






54
Agreed Maintain.

Soft Factors etc mean very little in the vast majority of situations. A B.A. in philosophy from UCLA is great, but it is not a page stopper.

For soft factors to matter you need to have done something extraordinary i.e. been in the NFL, a Navy Seal, Mayor of a City, etc, etc. As Maintain says there is little you can do about your GPA so don't worry about it and get that LSAT score. Based on your posts you I expect you will get at least a 150 and with above a 3.0 GPA you will be able to get into a law school somewhere. Once you are in your LSAT, UGPA, Soft Factors, etc mean nothing and you focus on getting through 1L.

55
The mock admissions item may have been staged as a way to encourage people to continue paying for Kaplan LSAT takers, but I may be to cynical.

With that Chocosugar again 3.08-3.29 doesn't really make a difference and what you need to do is focus on your LSAT score. Once you have a GPA and LSAT you can realistically assess your options.

I was a 0L once myself and stressed about every little detail, but it really just comes down to your numbers. If you have the drive to get into an ABA law school you can succeed as an attorney just take the LSAT get admitted and go onto a successful legal career.

56
Where should I go next fall? / Re: Barry or Coastal?
« on: September 05, 2013, 12:36:47 AM »
I will disagree with the poster obviously do not expect anyone to hand anything to you from any law school, but to say every single graduate goes into foreclosure shows very little understanding. Additionally the poster's firm may only hire from UF, UM, and FSU, but your firm is not the only game in town. I could also find an abundance of firms that would not consider a UM grad.

It is not a one size fits all situation and there are agencies and firms that will hire a Barry or Coastal grad and there are firms and agencies that would not touch a Barry or Coastal grad with a 10 foot pole. If you are attending Barry or Coastal you should have realistic expectations and not expect a Judicial Clerkship or an offer from Cravath, but you shouldn't expect that from UM, FSU, or UF either.

Here are 27 employed lawyers from Barry. http://www.superlawyers.com/lawschool/Barry-University-Dwayne-O-Andreas-School-of-Law/fad60c2a-84c4-102c-aca4-000e0c6dcf76.html

I imagine the poster above sees unemployed grads and those looking for work. However, that does not mean 100% of grads from these schools are in the same boat.

I just hate to see quotes like "run away from them as quickly as humanly possible." Apply common sense when choosing your law school, but don't listen to doom and gloom posters.


57
General Board / Re: LSD Needs to Modernize Site
« on: September 05, 2013, 12:16:59 AM »
LSD used to be very active years ago and slowly started dwindling down.

At the end of the day you have to remember anything you read from anonymous internet posters needs to be taken with a grain of salt, but it would be nice if this site picked up.

58
General Board / Re: LSD Needs to Modernize Site
« on: September 02, 2013, 11:02:52 PM »
Could not agree more Top Law Schools has a nice website, but awful information. Those that post on this board offer actual insight and a dose of reality. Hopefully, the site can be updated and those seeking law school advice can find more reasonable information on law school discussion.

59
Again I think that applies to quite literally every profession.

Plenty of recent college grads are unemployed and expect major salaries etc, but to building a career in any profession you have to pay your dues.

60
The real issue with this type of article is that it doesn't take into account that the same logic applies to every other profession. Is it hard to start out as a lawyer? Yes. Does the person who pulls the longest hours and works the hardest succeed? Yes. If you lose a big client is it possible you will be find yourself without a lot of work to do? Yes. Do some lawyers feel disillusioned with their career choice? Yes.

However, you can write the same exact article about a Doctor, Businessman, CPA, Psychologist, Dentist, etc.

Harvard has a medical school, a business school, etc and graduates of Harvard Business School will have more opportunities than an MBA from Santa Clara. Are their doctors that are disllussioned and want more? Yes.

I don't think anything the article says is necessarily inaccurate, but the simple fact is you will run into the same issues no matter what profession you choose. Additionally, you can succeed from a lower ranked law school if you know what you are getting into.

If you go to Whitter Law School you are not going to become a partner at Cravath just the way it is, but can you be a D.A, City Attorney, Family Lawyer, Litigator, etc yes you can and there are numerous lawyers from Whitter and other "low-ranked" schools that are happily employed attorneys and plenty of other Whittier grads that are misreable or unemployed.

The simple fact of that matter is I could talk to anyone on the Ferry I am currently riding and I guarantee everyone of them will tell me they are overworked and underpaid. That is just human nature, but I can say I really enjoy my job as an attorney I don't make as much as I would like, but I am excited about work everyday because I knew what I was getting into.

Therefore, I think if someone really wants to be a lawyer and has realistic expectations it can be a great choice, but if anyone thinks getting a law degree leads to exorbitant riches and constant excitement they are mistaken. Every job has boring aspects to it and the life of a lawyer is no different than any other profession.

Pages: 1 2 3 4 5 [6] 7 8 9 10 11 ... 35