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Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Barry or Coastal?
« on: September 05, 2013, 12:24:50 PM »
Those 27 are Super Lawyers and you do not get on that list right out of law school, which is why they are graduated from 2000-2009 and there is nobody prior to 2002, because Barry was not founded until 1999. However, if you want some firms that have hired attorneys that graduated from Barry post 2010 check the links below found in a five second google search.

Is Barry a world renowned law school? No

Can you find legal employment in Orlando? Yes

Will anything be handed to you from Barry? No

Will you learn the same thing at Barry as you do at UM, UF or any other ABA school? Yes

If your a lawyer I imagine you read International Shoe in Civil Procedure and as I did at my law school. Palsgarff in Torts etc, etc. The Supreme Court didn't spend time drafting separate opinions and the law is the law.

Bottom line is Barry is an ABA school and if you graduate then pass the bar you will have a law license. What you do with that license is up to the individual and I know there are plenty of Barry Grads that did not succeed and plenty of others that have. The same can be said of UM, UF, FSU and every single ABA school.

Again I am not trying to say Barry is some elite institution or even recommending the OP attends, but to say you should run away as fast as humanly possible and say you will either be unemployed or stuck doing foreclosure defense is a little to extreme.

However, this is an anonymous internet poster board and as I advise anyone making the life altering decision to attend law school taking anything you read on this board or others with a grain of salt. Michael Scott does a good job of explaining why in this video

MiamiJd may be right and I have never been to Florida, but I am a licensed employed attorney in California, which like Florida has an abundance of law schools. I have also heard from many anonymous internet posters that people do not hire from certain schools. However, I appear in front of judges that went to these "schools" and I think it would be unwise to tell the judge the school they attended is awful.

Additionally, I see associates hired from these schools and I even recently hired someone from one of these schools that "nobody" hires from. I imagine the same is true in Florida and again I recommend anyone making a three year and $100,000 commitment of attending law school to speak to individuals face to face about individual schools and hiring practices.

Anonymous internet posters myself included can say whatever they want for all anyone knows I am the Dean of Harvard Law School or I could be a bum in a public library using the free internet to claim I am an attorney.  Or claim to be an associate who has to bill 2,100 hours and know everything about the Florida Legal Market essentially anyone on the internet can be whoever they want to be.

You can obtain some helpful advice on these boards, but take everything with a grain of salt.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Barry or Coastal?
« on: September 04, 2013, 09:36:47 PM »
I will disagree with the poster obviously do not expect anyone to hand anything to you from any law school, but to say every single graduate goes into foreclosure shows very little understanding. Additionally the poster's firm may only hire from UF, UM, and FSU, but your firm is not the only game in town. I could also find an abundance of firms that would not consider a UM grad.

It is not a one size fits all situation and there are agencies and firms that will hire a Barry or Coastal grad and there are firms and agencies that would not touch a Barry or Coastal grad with a 10 foot pole. If you are attending Barry or Coastal you should have realistic expectations and not expect a Judicial Clerkship or an offer from Cravath, but you shouldn't expect that from UM, FSU, or UF either.

Here are 27 employed lawyers from Barry.

I imagine the poster above sees unemployed grads and those looking for work. However, that does not mean 100% of grads from these schools are in the same boat.

I just hate to see quotes like "run away from them as quickly as humanly possible." Apply common sense when choosing your law school, but don't listen to doom and gloom posters.

Current Law Students / Re: LSD Needs to Modernize Site
« on: September 04, 2013, 09:16:59 PM »
LSD used to be very active years ago and slowly started dwindling down.

At the end of the day you have to remember anything you read from anonymous internet posters needs to be taken with a grain of salt, but it would be nice if this site picked up.

Current Law Students / Re: LSD Needs to Modernize Site
« on: September 02, 2013, 08:02:52 PM »
Could not agree more Top Law Schools has a nice website, but awful information. Those that post on this board offer actual insight and a dose of reality. Hopefully, the site can be updated and those seeking law school advice can find more reasonable information on law school discussion.

Again I think that applies to quite literally every profession.

Plenty of recent college grads are unemployed and expect major salaries etc, but to building a career in any profession you have to pay your dues.

The real issue with this type of article is that it doesn't take into account that the same logic applies to every other profession. Is it hard to start out as a lawyer? Yes. Does the person who pulls the longest hours and works the hardest succeed? Yes. If you lose a big client is it possible you will be find yourself without a lot of work to do? Yes. Do some lawyers feel disillusioned with their career choice? Yes.

However, you can write the same exact article about a Doctor, Businessman, CPA, Psychologist, Dentist, etc.

Harvard has a medical school, a business school, etc and graduates of Harvard Business School will have more opportunities than an MBA from Santa Clara. Are their doctors that are disllussioned and want more? Yes.

I don't think anything the article says is necessarily inaccurate, but the simple fact is you will run into the same issues no matter what profession you choose. Additionally, you can succeed from a lower ranked law school if you know what you are getting into.

If you go to Whitter Law School you are not going to become a partner at Cravath just the way it is, but can you be a D.A, City Attorney, Family Lawyer, Litigator, etc yes you can and there are numerous lawyers from Whitter and other "low-ranked" schools that are happily employed attorneys and plenty of other Whittier grads that are misreable or unemployed.

The simple fact of that matter is I could talk to anyone on the Ferry I am currently riding and I guarantee everyone of them will tell me they are overworked and underpaid. That is just human nature, but I can say I really enjoy my job as an attorney I don't make as much as I would like, but I am excited about work everyday because I knew what I was getting into.

Therefore, I think if someone really wants to be a lawyer and has realistic expectations it can be a great choice, but if anyone thinks getting a law degree leads to exorbitant riches and constant excitement they are mistaken. Every job has boring aspects to it and the life of a lawyer is no different than any other profession.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Advice
« on: August 17, 2013, 10:36:00 PM »
There are a lot of options to consider when choosing your school and it does sound like you are considering two of the most important, which are Location and Cost.

It sounds like your plan is to attend law school in California and if Cailfornia is where you want to be then that is a good choice. However, California Law Schools are essentially the most expensive in America and you indicate cost is an issue.

Now with a 170 LSAT a number of California Schools will offer you a substantial scholarship just look on and you can see the amount of money students get. However, if you get a scholarship BE CAREFUL OF THE CONDITIONS. This NY Times Article explains how the system works

There are some very cheap ABA schools in America, but you will need to qualify as a state resident. A few of the schools I know are Florida International, CUNY, a lot of schools in the South offer in-state tuition, which is very reasonable.

I imagine schools like Pepperdine, Southwestern, Chapman, or LMU would offer you substantial scholarships based on your numbers if you want to be in Southern California.

If you wanted to be in the Bay Area Santa Clara, University of San Francisco, or Golden Gate would offer you substantial Scholarships.

McGeorge in Sacramento would also offer you a scholarship.

Then every school in San Diego, which would include USD, Thomas Jefferson, or California Western would provide you with substantial scholarship money.

Hastings might give you a little money so would Davis. Then Boalt, UCLA, or USC you may or may not get in.

I would recommend coming to California and visiting all the schools as they each have a different culture. I am a California attorney and have been to the campuses of essentially every law school above and can tell you each one has a different feel and what a good fit for you is something only you can determine.

However, I do think you have the option to get substantial scholarship money with your numbers, but be very careful regarding the Conditions within the scholarship.

Agree with all the posters be sure you know what you are getting into the LSAT is a cakewalk prepared to 1L and 1L is a cakewalk compared to the Bar Exam.

Many people say they are not good and taking standardized tests as an excuse for their LSAT score, but all law school consists of is standardized tests and to become a licensed attorney you have to pass a standardized test. So even if you are admitted to Capital be sure you have the ability to study and do well in law school.

Raising a child will not get any easier while you are in law school and as the posters above have indicted the LSAT is the easiest thing there on the law school journey. I am not saying the LSAT is easy, but it really weeds people out.

You might want to try retaking the LSAT and seeing how you do when properly studying if you really can't get over a 140-145 when putting a good faith effort in there is a good chance you will not perform well in law school or pass the bar exam.

I wish you the best, but law school is a 3 year 100,000+ investment and not something you should pursue lightly.

Good Luck whatever you decide.

The reality is very few schools will consider that even if they allow you to write an addendum. Lawschooladmissions is 95% a numbers game if your on the fence your personal statement or addendum might be considered, but unless you have an extraordinary story i.e. you grew up in homeless in Somalia or something and found your way to the states and put yourself through college maybe they will go outside their numbers box, but even then they have standards for their numbers.

I believe I responded to a post on a similar topic, but I am glad to hear you obtained scholarship money I hope this is a lesson to continue asking for more both schools want you get the best deal you can. Tell Brooklyn aobut your offer from BC and they will likely increase your scholarship amount or worse case scenario not grant you more money, but leave you in the same position. As a 0L you have tremendous bargaining power, but once your locked in to a school it is gone.

As for the actual question visit both schools and tour Brooklyn Law School and Boston College these are two very different styled Universities and Locations. Brooklyn Law School is a law school nothing else in a less than Ideal Part of Brooklyn and Boston College is a University with a Football Team, Basketball Team, all kinds of non-law students and just two very different atmospheres on top of New York being different from Boston.

Another point to address is the Conditions I am not sure if at Brooklyn you need to be in the top 20% or not be in the bottom 20% to maintain your scholarship.  Either way there is a chance the scholarship could be lost as there is a 20% chance you will finish in the bottom 20% of the class and then be stuck paying 48k in tuition for years two and three.

BC has offered you a good condition 2.0 GPA, which is good you would fail out if you didn't meet it so that is just something to consider. You may want to ask Brooklyn for a similar offer instead of requring you to be in a certain percentage of the class keep negotiating to get your way.

Big Law

Again, what is it about BigLaw you feel so enticed about what do you really know about it? Many 0L's come in with these delusions of Grandeur about it most people hate working in it. Additonally from either school it is unlikely you will obtain Big Law, but you can find a legal job.

Good luck in your decision.

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