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Black Law Student Discussion Board / Re: Academic Dismissal
« on: November 11, 2012, 01:43:04 PM »
Sorry to hear about the dismissal, but if you have been working in the legal field and want to go back to school then go for it. I guess the only thing to be wary about is the bar exam if you struggled in law school, but you will probably do a lot better in 1L having gone through it once before, but there are no guarantees.

There are all kinds of prep-courses, but none of them will guarantee you a good result. I self-studied personally and improved my score significantly without a review course, but I have improved more if I used a course like Kaplan or Princeton Review hard to know.

Good luck on the retake and getting your J.D.

Minority Topics / Re: LGBT - Coming Out on the Application
« on: November 11, 2012, 12:43:41 PM »
Just go with what you identify if you know you are gay then come out and say it. It probably won't make much of a difference in your application at all. They will care about your test scores, GPA, just go with your gut. If you are still concerned call the admissions department from an anonymous phone number, don't identify yourself, and ask the question. They will know the answer better than some anonymous internet poster like myself.

Schools are likely going to look at your GPA because that is the number reported to LSAC and U.S. News, but maybe some of these schools will consider class rank over GPA however a 3.7 is pretty good so it won't make much of a difference.

I heard a lot of schools are doing away with the averaging of LSAT scores, but I am just some guy on the internet. I would recommend contacting the schools you are truly interested in and see whether they simply accept the highest score or average scores. I am sure each school has their own policy on this and nobody knows these policies better than the admissions workers of each school.

As to Eric's post a lot of people say it is a learnable test and it may be I never took a prep course or anything, but I did a lot of self-study and got my score up 11 points from my initial diagnostic test. You may be able to get it up, but you may not.

I knew a few people in undergard who took the LSAT so many times and continually thinking they would get a better score or cancelling their score everytime. One girl I knew was doing it for 3 years and she could have graduated school school in the amount of time she spent studying for the LSAT. With a 156 you have options, but if you truly think there is a room for improvement then go for it, but if you did everything you can do a 156 is a respectable score.

It looks like for correspondence schools they have the best bar passage rate at 21%, but that is pretty low. I imagine this school could work for the right person i.e if you wanted to start your own small firm or something along those lines, but a lot of the traditional legal paths would probably be closed.

Another thing to realize is that law school is pretty difficult and online school is not for everybody. You need to stay focused to do well in law school and some people struggle without a set structured schedule, but again that is up to the individual.

You pretty much need a law license to represent anyone it is unauthorized practice of law otherwise. There are all kinds of shaky rules and you would be much better served to take the bar exam rather than risk being sued or possibly even criminally charged for unauthorized practice of law. Sit for the exam pass it and you will be much better off.

I think there are a few things where you can offer advice, but with a J.D. it gets shaky and by the time you researched what you could and could not do you could have passed the bar exam.

Where should I go next fall? / Re: Florida Law School Options?
« on: November 09, 2012, 03:18:43 PM »
If you want to be in Miami and be a prosecutor then Florida International might be a good decision. They have in-state tuition which will save you an insane amount of money. I believe FIU is only 15k per year and all ABA schools basically give you the same legal education.

If you want to be a prosecutor there is only one way to do it and that is by going to law school and passing the bar. Any ABA school will get you a ticket to the bar exam and then it is up to you to pass.

With a 167 and 3.3. it is also possible UM will give you a scholarship, but odds are there will be some sort of condition on it that will be hard to comply with. I.E. be in the top 35% of the class and there is a 65% chance you won't be in the top 35% and there is a chance you will lose the scholarship.

Hope that initial info is somewhat helpful.

318 and of course LSAC are the best places to look at where you realistically have a host. A 3.3 and 150 can probably get you into a few schools, but not many.

I believe you can apply and let schools know you are taking the December or February LSAT in your application. I imagine they would wait for those scores to come in and if it improves then everything else is already in. I would contact any schools you are truly interested in and explain your situation they all employ admissions commitees to answer these type of questions.

As a general rule apply as early as possible and retake the LSAT I believe most schools no longer average scores so you don't have much to lose they will just take the highest score.

To be honest I think you got all the internet advice you can.  The best step now is to contact the admissions office of the schools you are interested in. I imagine some schools average scores, some don't, and there are 200 ABA schools with different policies and the only people that know the exact details of an individual school are the admissions workers at each school.

I believe most schools would wait for the February results, but again I am just some guy on the internet contact OU, OKC, TU, and any other schools you are seriously considering to learn their policies. Good luck to you.

Reviews, Visits, and Rankings / Re: ABA versus Non-ABA; marathon LSAT-taker
« on: November 07, 2012, 05:01:01 PM »
I think CBA schools can be great for the right individual and many states are allowing non-ABA grads to take bar exams outside of California.

The legal education you receive will probably be the same whether at an ABA or non-ABA school you will most likely take all the bar related courses Torts, Civil Procedure, Property, Contracts, Criminal Procedure, Criminal Law, etc and you will read Supreme Court cases that are the same exact ones the people at Harvard are reading.

The only real problem with a non-ABA school is that in big markets there is no shortage of ABA grads looking for work and if you hear unaccredited v. accredited school a lot of people will simply go with accredited just basic human nature. However, if your in a small market like Fresno or Chico then all you really need is a law license.

There are plenty of successful attorneys in Chico that went to Cal Northern a non-ABA school in the city where no ABA school exists.

Same with San Joaquin College of Law there is no ABA school within 3 hours of there and many attorneys in the area went to San Joaquin College of Law.


The major pros of a non-aba school are that they are much, much, cheaper and if your a person that knows they want to live in a certain location for the rest of your life then it probably won't be an issue. You will receive essentially the same education as you would at an ABA school.

One  concern I would have based on your post is the 140 LSAT that is indicative that you may not be a great test taker and the bar exam is about 1,000,000 times harder than the LSAT and the 140 may be an indication the bar will be a struggle which is why I imagine the CBA bar results are so much lower than other schools.

Other major con is that many states won't let you take the bar exam without going to court on the issue and if you want to move around that will be a restriction. There are also some doors that will simply be closed certain government positions, big firms,  simply will not allow non-ABA grads to work there. Right or wrong that is the way it is. So if that is your goal you will be disappointed, but if you want to start your own firm or work in a rural area then a CBA school will probably do just fine.

Hope that is helpful.

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