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It looks like for correspondence schools they have the best bar passage rate at 21%, but that is pretty low. I imagine this school could work for the right person i.e if you wanted to start your own small firm or something along those lines, but a lot of the traditional legal paths would probably be closed.

Another thing to realize is that law school is pretty difficult and online school is not for everybody. You need to stay focused to do well in law school and some people struggle without a set structured schedule, but again that is up to the individual.

You pretty much need a law license to represent anyone it is unauthorized practice of law otherwise. There are all kinds of shaky rules and you would be much better served to take the bar exam rather than risk being sued or possibly even criminally charged for unauthorized practice of law. Sit for the exam pass it and you will be much better off.

I think there are a few things where you can offer advice, but with a J.D. it gets shaky and by the time you researched what you could and could not do you could have passed the bar exam.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Florida Law School Options?
« on: November 09, 2012, 01:18:43 PM »
If you want to be in Miami and be a prosecutor then Florida International might be a good decision. They have in-state tuition which will save you an insane amount of money. I believe FIU is only 15k per year and all ABA schools basically give you the same legal education.

If you want to be a prosecutor there is only one way to do it and that is by going to law school and passing the bar. Any ABA school will get you a ticket to the bar exam and then it is up to you to pass.

With a 167 and 3.3. it is also possible UM will give you a scholarship, but odds are there will be some sort of condition on it that will be hard to comply with. I.E. be in the top 35% of the class and there is a 65% chance you won't be in the top 35% and there is a chance you will lose the scholarship.

Hope that initial info is somewhat helpful.

Law School Admissions / Re: Where and when to apply? alright gpa, low LSAT
« on: November 09, 2012, 01:12:15 PM » and of course LSAC are the best places to look at where you realistically have a host. A 3.3 and 150 can probably get you into a few schools, but not many.

I believe you can apply and let schools know you are taking the December or February LSAT in your application. I imagine they would wait for those scores to come in and if it improves then everything else is already in. I would contact any schools you are truly interested in and explain your situation they all employ admissions commitees to answer these type of questions.

As a general rule apply as early as possible and retake the LSAT I believe most schools no longer average scores so you don't have much to lose they will just take the highest score.

To be honest I think you got all the internet advice you can.  The best step now is to contact the admissions office of the schools you are interested in. I imagine some schools average scores, some don't, and there are 200 ABA schools with different policies and the only people that know the exact details of an individual school are the admissions workers at each school.

I believe most schools would wait for the February results, but again I am just some guy on the internet contact OU, OKC, TU, and any other schools you are seriously considering to learn their policies. Good luck to you.

I think CBA schools can be great for the right individual and many states are allowing non-ABA grads to take bar exams outside of California.

The legal education you receive will probably be the same whether at an ABA or non-ABA school you will most likely take all the bar related courses Torts, Civil Procedure, Property, Contracts, Criminal Procedure, Criminal Law, etc and you will read Supreme Court cases that are the same exact ones the people at Harvard are reading.

The only real problem with a non-ABA school is that in big markets there is no shortage of ABA grads looking for work and if you hear unaccredited v. accredited school a lot of people will simply go with accredited just basic human nature. However, if your in a small market like Fresno or Chico then all you really need is a law license.

There are plenty of successful attorneys in Chico that went to Cal Northern a non-ABA school in the city where no ABA school exists.

Same with San Joaquin College of Law there is no ABA school within 3 hours of there and many attorneys in the area went to San Joaquin College of Law.


The major pros of a non-aba school are that they are much, much, cheaper and if your a person that knows they want to live in a certain location for the rest of your life then it probably won't be an issue. You will receive essentially the same education as you would at an ABA school.

One  concern I would have based on your post is the 140 LSAT that is indicative that you may not be a great test taker and the bar exam is about 1,000,000 times harder than the LSAT and the 140 may be an indication the bar will be a struggle which is why I imagine the CBA bar results are so much lower than other schools.

Other major con is that many states won't let you take the bar exam without going to court on the issue and if you want to move around that will be a restriction. There are also some doors that will simply be closed certain government positions, big firms,  simply will not allow non-ABA grads to work there. Right or wrong that is the way it is. So if that is your goal you will be disappointed, but if you want to start your own firm or work in a rural area then a CBA school will probably do just fine.

Hope that is helpful.

Rob is correct there are some schools that emphasize particular areas more than others as evidenced by the provided links. However, I don't know if it is always the best idea to select a law school based on a specialty program as many OL's realistically have no idea what they want to do. I remember when I started thinking IP law would be great after one elective class in the area I knew it was not for me. Had I moved across the country and paid a lot more money to attend a school with a solid IP program it would not have turned out well.

From your post you stated "I think I might like to go into labor law" if you had some deep passion for a particular area i.e. your friend was unlawfully executed and your passion was to end the death penalty or something then the quality of a specialty program might be appropriate, but if it is an area of law you think might interest you  don't make it a major basis for your decision. You can use it is a factor, but there are a lot of things to consider when choosing a law school. The reality is very few incoming 0L's have any idea what they really want to do since you know very little about the law prior to enrolling and even after law school your interests can change greatly.

Law School Admissions / Re: Good GPA, Low LSAT
« on: November 07, 2012, 02:32:35 PM »
To be frank I don't know if any ABA school will take a 136 unless you are a URM and even then 136 is probably not going to work. However, that doesn't mean you can't retake I believe the vast majority of schools no longer average LSAT scores so there is nothing to lose. is a pretty good site to help you see what your chances at a certain school are.

The good GPA will be helpful, but you should definitely retake. Good luck.

Roald offers a lot of good advice and it sounds like your major issue was the bladder, but what will stop the same thing from happening during the next test administration? If you think there is something you can do to prevent that then retake, but nerves/etc foreseen circumstances are simply are part of any high pressure test situation.

A 151 can get you into some schools and Tulsa/OKC are options. OU is highly unlikely to take you with a 151 and the extracurricualrs matter very little to admissions committee unless you are on the fence it is almost a 100% numbers game. You can see this on to get a realistic look at admissions into other schools.

I don't thin any school would particularly care if you applied one year and then again, but you will just spend 100's if not thousands of dollars on applications. Law school is not going anywhere if you think you can do better on the LSAT then go for it.

Another thing you option is you can apply to law schools with your current apps, but take the February LSAT and the adcoms will likely wait to make any decisions until those results come in. That is probably the best option if you want to start law school as soon as possible.

Law School Admissions / Re: Low LSAT but decent UGPA
« on: November 05, 2012, 05:22:11 PM »
I believe most if not all schools no longer average your LSAT scores so you have nothing to lose and everything to gain by retaking. However, with a 148 and 3.4 you can probably get into some schools in Illinois I believe Southern Illinois might be a possibility and also if you are a URM you will have a good chance at a lot of schools. is a really good site to let you know what your chances are.

If you did everything you could do and 148 is the best it could also be an indication law school is not an ideal option. The LSAT is nothing in comparison to law school exams and the bar exam is 100x harder than law school. If you really hated the experience of studying for the LSAT or the standardizerd test-taking it may not be path you want to pursue. A 148 is not terrible you still finished in about the middle of the pack of people who were motivated enough to go to law school, showed up for the test, and didn't cancel their score. There are options, but they are limited and whether you did everything you could do on the LSAT is something only you know. However, if you think you can improve your score go for it.

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