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Transferring / Re: Transferring from lower to tier to top 15?
« on: December 08, 2012, 05:29:25 PM »
Both posters offered some good insight and to be perfectly honest whether transferring is a good idea or not is highly unique to each person's situation. If your career goals are to be a public defender in Wisconsin and your are currently attending law school at Marquette then stay there, rank in the top of your class, get scholarship money.

If your career goal is to work for Cravath then shoot for the T14, but even if you get into a T14 school it doesn't necessarily mean you will get into BigLaw, but you really will not have a shot otherwise.

Another factor to consider is your personality you know better than anyone else how well you can handle moving to a new location, meeting new people, etc. Some people thrive in this others struggle. If your a person who has worked all over the country, meet new people, blah blah then moving across country probably won't be a big deal. If on the other hand you have never left your hometown then moving across country to start as a 2L at a T14 school might be to much change.

Bottom line is don't simply transfer because U.S. News ranking says X school is #12. Once your out of the law school bubble the name of your school really won't mean that much unless your sole goal is to work in a big law firm. The people you meet, the location your residing in, your personal happiness, and what you want out of your legal career are all things that U.S. News cannot determine nor can any anonymous internet poster like yourself. I see a lot of people freak out about these rankings and make life altering decisions based on them alone and this is not a good idea. Remember it is a for-profit unregulated magazine nothing more and you should not make a life-altering decision based on it alone.

Hopefully some of that offers some insight or feel free to think I am full of s*** just remember anyone on this board or others is an anonymous internet poster that knows nothing about you, your situation, or what is best for you. The same can be about U.S. News they are a for-profit magazine and they cannot tell you what is best for your particular circumstance. In the meantime stay focused second semester and kick ass again.

Transferring / Re: Transferring from lower to tier to top 15?
« on: December 06, 2012, 06:54:52 PM »
It might be possible to transfer most schools from what I know care about first year grades more than anything. However, many people I have known were not that satisfied with their transfer.

I don't know where you are currently attending, but moving across county to a school where you don't know anyone and all the 1L clicks have developed can be tough. I had a friend that transferred from my school to USC and she regretted the decision. Obviously that is not the case for everyone and maybe it will be a good decision it is personal for everyone, but if your doing well somewhere it may not be worth rocking the boat.

One thing to think about which I did is get the transfer papers together and ask for scholarship money from your school. This can save you 40-70k and just an option if no scholarship money is offered then it might be worth transferring, but I think getting out of an ABA school with as little debt as possible is always a good decision.

I mean smoking some pot and being drunk in college before your 20th birthday probably won't be major issues. Disclose it of course you will get in far more trouble by not disclosing, but these incidents are pretty common for law students.

I have known guys with DUI's and some who were arrested for drunk and disorderlys who passed their state bar's moral character application. I personally made some immature decisions in college as well most people do including admissions officers.

Bottom line is these won't help your situation but as long as you disclose you should be alright.

Law School Admissions / Re: 2.3 GPA, strong work history, 160 LSAT
« on: December 06, 2012, 08:21:20 AM »
As the above posters mentioned your experiences will play some role, but it really is 90% a numbers game. Combat in Afganistan is probably something that will catch an admission officer's eye and give you a little boost the strong work history probably won't do much as many law school applicants have that. is a good site to see what your chances are, but I would predict NCC would let you in. Also if you are a URM your chances of admission will be increased greatly. Not to mention a 160 LSAT is pretty good.

Also realize that nobody anonymously posting on this board really knows anything about what a specific school will do. So take all info you read on boards like this one with a grain of salt anybody can say anything without repercussion so when choosing a law school remember to take the anonymous internet posts with a grain of salt good luck.

Yea you will probably need to disclose it on your moral character application when you apply for the bar, but they will probably will let you in, but I would contact the state bar you are planning on joining and ask what their rules on it are. Better to find out it won't work now rather than spend 100,000 and 3 years of your life, but I would imagine it wouldn't be an issue. However, it is certainly worth checking into good luck.

General Off-Topic Board / Re: Girlfriend in Law School
« on: December 03, 2012, 09:55:26 PM »
Anyway to move closer?

Another thing to know or at least in my law school experience is that after first year and particularly first semester law school gets a lot less stressful. I remember freaking out first semester everything is so new and you have no idea what to expect I personally felt first semester of law school was even harder than the bar, but once 1L was done with 2L and 3L I had much more time and my relationship with my girlfriend a non-lawyer/student got a lot better. That is not a guarantee that it will, but I believe most law students would agree law school gets much easier after 1L. Hopefully that is somewhat encouraging.

Law School Admissions / Re: Resume
« on: November 27, 2012, 06:55:21 PM »
Keep it to one page that is the length you will be using when applying for attorney jobs out of law school unless you have some crazy experience. I doubt the admissions committee will spend more than 10 seconds looking at your resume unless you have something crazy on there i.e. NFL football player, Navy Seal, Journalist for the Wall Street Journal, or something along those lines. If it is 2 years at company X etc, etc then it really won't hurt or help your application and the majority of the committees decision will be based on numbers as it almost always is.

That is a great personal statement, but I hate to break to be the bearer of bad news if you want T14 schools your grades/LSAT are what make 95% of the decision.

With that said you don't need to go to a T14 school to succeed as a lawyer remember the U.S. News rankings are nothing more than a for-profit magazine offering an opinion. If you want to do family law, restraining orders immigration, and help people that went through the experiences you went through then any ABA school will do.

I would also relate this to you the legal education you receive at any ABA school will be almost identical.  Your first year will consist of Torts, Civil Procedure, Criminal Law, Property, Contracts, and LRW. Some schools may give you Con Law and Crim Pro in your first year or second year, but that will be the subject matter and you will read Supreme Court cases out of the same textbook no matter what school you go to.

I think your personal statement shows a real passion for the law and those experiences will likely make you a good lawyer, but if you don't get into a T-14 school don't be discouraged get into an ABA school, pass the bar, and help others that went through the situation you went through.

Good luck.

Law School Admissions / Re: 2.69gpa/175lsat chances?
« on: November 20, 2012, 07:37:48 PM »
The sites listed above are all great for lawschool predictions. You are also likely to be entitled to a lot of scholarship money from a number of non T-14 schools wish may be in your best interested depending on what you want to do.

I.E. if you wanted to live in Milwaukee Marquette would probably give you a full scholarship and you pass the bar automatically in Wisconsin so debt free law degree and licensed lawyer would be great if your ok with Wisconsin.

When choosing a law school you really got to look at what YOU want. Don't worry to much about the rankings and so forth if you have no desire to practice big law then get a huge scholarship from somewhere else. If biglaw etc is what you want then try for Georgetown or something.

A 158 is not a terrible score and I hope you do get a 165 next time, but that would put you in the top 10% or so of test takerst. Although the practice LSAT can be indicator the real test is different than practice. You can get into plenty of schools with a 3.3 and 158 and receive scholarship money as well.

I would recommend you send your applications in now and let them know you are retaking the LSAT they will hold off their decision until the new results come in and if you improve scholarship money or acceptance to your reach schools will occur. If you do worse most schools simply take your highest score so there is not a whole lot to lose. I would just recommend getting your applications in now because writing the personal statement, filling out the apps, paying the fees, takes time and if you don't end up doing it until February you are probably not going to attend school until 2014.

One other thing to know is soft-factors don't really matter much. Unless it is something newsworthy i.e. you were the starting quarterback at USC, or on the Seal Team that took out Osama, that kind of status might make a difference in an admissions committee. Your soft factors are good, but pretty much the same as everyone else that attends law school and it will just come down to the numbers.

Final point is the schools you are interested in will more than likely accept you with your current numbers. Check out and you can see your chances of getting into these schools with scholarship money are very high.

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