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Law School Admissions / Re: GPA: 3.82 LSAT 169 URM Chances Anyone?
« on: February 06, 2013, 12:27:00 AM »
Absolutely, but I think often when you spend 3 years somewhere life gets in the way and if you meet a girl in Boston while attending Harvard even if you get offered a great job in L.A. you might end up in Boston. Not to mention law school is three years in the prime of your life so you should attend school in a location you enjoy, but I don't think attending any of the schools mentioned will limit your potential employment, but I personally think there is a lot more to life than potential job propsects, which is something I think many OL's don't consider until it is to late.

Current Law Students / Re: How freaking long .... ?
« on: February 06, 2013, 12:17:26 AM »
You probably didn't screw up and I imagine some acceptance letters will be coming your way. You are correct to do the best financial option, but I don't know you are aware there are several schools that offer in-state tuition which is very cheap I know CUNY, Florida International, South Dakota, North Dakota, and a few others I believe Idaho might be one charge only 10-12,000 per year just something to think about.

Some other things to think about are visit schools you are interested in each school has a culture to it and make sure you fit in with it. I did mock trials and was accepted to quite a few schools as a OL and there were some schools I really liked and others I hated, but those are my own personal opinions make sure the school is a fit for you.

Also as you appear to realize wherever you end up is likely where you will spend the rest of your life. The locations you mentioned are very different and if your an Ultra Liberal person I wouldn't recommend going to Texas Southern for example. Just really consider the different locations because law school does not exist in a vacuum for example if you go to Idaho you will be covered in Snow 6 months of the year, but you could be suntanning in Florida.

In the end I am sure you will be getting into some of these schools and I hope you choose the right one good luck to you.

Current Law Students / Re: How do lawyers get clients?
« on: February 06, 2013, 12:09:10 AM »
There are several websites like (shameless plug) that assist attorneys in finding clients. You can also go to local county or city bar associations i.e. the San Francisco Bar Association, New York Bar Association, etc that you pay 50-100 bucks for and most of these offer client referrals. T

Law School Admissions / Re: GPA: 3.82 LSAT 169 URM Chances Anyone?
« on: February 05, 2013, 09:10:48 PM »
First of thanks Jack don't know if I am full of good advice of full of it, but I want to respectfully dissent  on going to Yale opposed to a California school.

Here is the analysis on my point please bear in mind I am writing this post for a URM with 3.82 and 169, which is in about the top 5% of applicants. Most people are not choosing between Stanford, Yale, Boalt, and I was nowhere near these schools, but I am fully employed lawyer.

Onto the analysis
If you want to work in the Bay Area then go to Stanford or Boalt opposed to Yale.  The reason is there are thousands of not millions of alumni from Stanford & Boalt in the Bay Area they went to school there, made friends there started businesses there, etc and people generally side with their Alma Matter opposed to somewhere else.

More importantly remember that law school is 3 years and New Haven Connecticut and the California Bay Area are very different places economically, politically, culturally, and highly different weather. At a minimum you will spend 3 years at X location so make sure it is a fit for you even if Yale is #1 opposed to Boalt at #8 or something your personal preferences matter far more than what some unregulated for profit magazine like U.S. News thinks.

Current Law Students / Re: How freaking long .... ?
« on: February 05, 2013, 09:03:46 PM »
Well law school is a game of patience if you go to you can see whether schools have started giving out acceptance letters or not. Many schools wait until March to admit anyone.

One thing to realize is that law school is a lot of waiting just like this after your first semester finals it usually takes 2 months to get your first semester grades, which if received might fail you out and it is quite stressful.  Then you get to take the bar and wait 4 months to find out if you passed (which is awful!).  Then once you are a lawyer it can take years to finally resolve a case so patience is something you need to learn I know I didn't have as a 0L myself, but just want to prepare you for that.

With your numbers you should get into most of these schools, but I have to ask why such differing locations Florida, Idaho, Texas, and California is a strange competition. I really think location should be your number one factor when choosing a law school, but that is just my two cents.

Law School Admissions / Re: GPA: 3.82 LSAT 169 URM Chances Anyone?
« on: February 05, 2013, 12:32:49 AM »
You should have plenty of options with that said really consider location and cost above all else. If you want to be in California go to Stanford or Boalt instead of Yale also remember law school debt is real, but you should have some great options congrats!

Incoming 1Ls / Re: License Lawyers Without JDs?
« on: February 05, 2013, 12:29:32 AM »
The California Bar is considering a similar option . I don't know how I feel about any of it even with all the restrictions there are definitely plenty of attorneys with severe problems if they make the lessen the screening process I think it would get much worse.

The expense is tough, but there are plenty of schools you can attend and pay only in-state tuition, which is often quite reasonable. It will be interesting to see how it all plays out, but since I have gone through all the hurdles it would be frustrating to watch it become easier for others, but that is me being selfish.

I am a lawyer and on Friday I was at a bar association dinner in a town an hour outside of San Francisco where they hand out the Attorney of the year award. I was not a nominee nor was I selected however they kept a record of the recipents for the few years and out of curiosity I wanted to see where they went to school and here is the list.

1. University of Oregon Law 2012
2. Hamline Law 2011
3. Mcgeorge 2010
4. McGeorge 2010
5. Golden Gate 2009
6. Golden Gate 2008
7. Ohio State 2007 

None of these are T14 schools but these attorneys are employed and doing quite well. Many of these are Tier 4 schools, which allegedly you cannot get a job out of, but even when I was there I met one guy right out of law school from Golden Gate and another from University of San Francisco who just passed the bar and were hired. The point is there are jobs out there and you can succeed no matter what law school your from, but you have to work at it.

Current Law Students / Re: Terrible Business Actions
« on: January 26, 2013, 03:04:00 PM »
If it was an official summons then go to court and fight it. If you lose you lose and pay, but until a judgement is entered you don't owe anything.

Furthermore, it really depends on how much he owes if this is a small claims action then he should just show up and argue it himself no need for a lawyer there. If this is a 100,000 credit card bill then he should get a lawyer.

If the card expired in 2010 the statute of limitations might have expired or they may not have. Some states have a 4 year limit others one I don't really know. I would say if the summons is a small claims form no need for a lawyer if it is a civil action for more than 10,000 talk to a lawyer.

Your friend can use sites like , your state bar, or a local bar association to find an attorney.

Law School Admissions / Re: What are your thoughts?
« on: January 26, 2013, 01:28:14 PM »
Yes people really get lost in the rankings particularly 0L's who listen to things from anonymous internet posters on site like TLS or even this one. 1L's also have the same insecurities then in you first year summer you are working with people from all different law schools and you start thinking it really doesn't matter. Then your 2L summer comes up and again your with people from different law schools and doing assignments and your employer will want stuff done and care very little about what school you went to. If they happened to attend your school they might like you a little more, but that is about it. Then you study for the bar with Barbri or Kaplan side by side with people from Harvard, Cooley, Santa Clara, etc etc all learning the same thing then you are in some bar testing center with everyone and praying to god you pass. Once that is over your a lawyer and you can represent clients once you start filing things and arguing in court you will see the name of your law school never comes up.

You got to get stuff done and if your capable of doing that you can succeed from any law school. Good luck.

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