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Current Law Students / Re: How do lawyers get clients?
« on: February 06, 2013, 12:09:10 AM »
There are several websites like (shameless plug) that assist attorneys in finding clients. You can also go to local county or city bar associations i.e. the San Francisco Bar Association, New York Bar Association, etc that you pay 50-100 bucks for and most of these offer client referrals. T

Law School Admissions / Re: GPA: 3.82 LSAT 169 URM Chances Anyone?
« on: February 05, 2013, 09:10:48 PM »
First of thanks Jack don't know if I am full of good advice of full of it, but I want to respectfully dissent  on going to Yale opposed to a California school.

Here is the analysis on my point please bear in mind I am writing this post for a URM with 3.82 and 169, which is in about the top 5% of applicants. Most people are not choosing between Stanford, Yale, Boalt, and I was nowhere near these schools, but I am fully employed lawyer.

Onto the analysis
If you want to work in the Bay Area then go to Stanford or Boalt opposed to Yale.  The reason is there are thousands of not millions of alumni from Stanford & Boalt in the Bay Area they went to school there, made friends there started businesses there, etc and people generally side with their Alma Matter opposed to somewhere else.

More importantly remember that law school is 3 years and New Haven Connecticut and the California Bay Area are very different places economically, politically, culturally, and highly different weather. At a minimum you will spend 3 years at X location so make sure it is a fit for you even if Yale is #1 opposed to Boalt at #8 or something your personal preferences matter far more than what some unregulated for profit magazine like U.S. News thinks.

Current Law Students / Re: How freaking long .... ?
« on: February 05, 2013, 09:03:46 PM »
Well law school is a game of patience if you go to you can see whether schools have started giving out acceptance letters or not. Many schools wait until March to admit anyone.

One thing to realize is that law school is a lot of waiting just like this after your first semester finals it usually takes 2 months to get your first semester grades, which if received might fail you out and it is quite stressful.  Then you get to take the bar and wait 4 months to find out if you passed (which is awful!).  Then once you are a lawyer it can take years to finally resolve a case so patience is something you need to learn I know I didn't have as a 0L myself, but just want to prepare you for that.

With your numbers you should get into most of these schools, but I have to ask why such differing locations Florida, Idaho, Texas, and California is a strange competition. I really think location should be your number one factor when choosing a law school, but that is just my two cents.

Law School Admissions / Re: GPA: 3.82 LSAT 169 URM Chances Anyone?
« on: February 05, 2013, 12:32:49 AM »
You should have plenty of options with that said really consider location and cost above all else. If you want to be in California go to Stanford or Boalt instead of Yale also remember law school debt is real, but you should have some great options congrats!

Incoming 1Ls / Re: License Lawyers Without JDs?
« on: February 05, 2013, 12:29:32 AM »
The California Bar is considering a similar option . I don't know how I feel about any of it even with all the restrictions there are definitely plenty of attorneys with severe problems if they make the lessen the screening process I think it would get much worse.

The expense is tough, but there are plenty of schools you can attend and pay only in-state tuition, which is often quite reasonable. It will be interesting to see how it all plays out, but since I have gone through all the hurdles it would be frustrating to watch it become easier for others, but that is me being selfish.

I am a lawyer and on Friday I was at a bar association dinner in a town an hour outside of San Francisco where they hand out the Attorney of the year award. I was not a nominee nor was I selected however they kept a record of the recipents for the few years and out of curiosity I wanted to see where they went to school and here is the list.

1. University of Oregon Law 2012
2. Hamline Law 2011
3. Mcgeorge 2010
4. McGeorge 2010
5. Golden Gate 2009
6. Golden Gate 2008
7. Ohio State 2007 

None of these are T14 schools but these attorneys are employed and doing quite well. Many of these are Tier 4 schools, which allegedly you cannot get a job out of, but even when I was there I met one guy right out of law school from Golden Gate and another from University of San Francisco who just passed the bar and were hired. The point is there are jobs out there and you can succeed no matter what law school your from, but you have to work at it.

Current Law Students / Re: Terrible Business Actions
« on: January 26, 2013, 03:04:00 PM »
If it was an official summons then go to court and fight it. If you lose you lose and pay, but until a judgement is entered you don't owe anything.

Furthermore, it really depends on how much he owes if this is a small claims action then he should just show up and argue it himself no need for a lawyer there. If this is a 100,000 credit card bill then he should get a lawyer.

If the card expired in 2010 the statute of limitations might have expired or they may not have. Some states have a 4 year limit others one I don't really know. I would say if the summons is a small claims form no need for a lawyer if it is a civil action for more than 10,000 talk to a lawyer.

Your friend can use sites like , your state bar, or a local bar association to find an attorney.

Law School Admissions / Re: What are your thoughts?
« on: January 26, 2013, 01:28:14 PM »
Yes people really get lost in the rankings particularly 0L's who listen to things from anonymous internet posters on site like TLS or even this one. 1L's also have the same insecurities then in you first year summer you are working with people from all different law schools and you start thinking it really doesn't matter. Then your 2L summer comes up and again your with people from different law schools and doing assignments and your employer will want stuff done and care very little about what school you went to. If they happened to attend your school they might like you a little more, but that is about it. Then you study for the bar with Barbri or Kaplan side by side with people from Harvard, Cooley, Santa Clara, etc etc all learning the same thing then you are in some bar testing center with everyone and praying to god you pass. Once that is over your a lawyer and you can represent clients once you start filing things and arguing in court you will see the name of your law school never comes up.

You got to get stuff done and if your capable of doing that you can succeed from any law school. Good luck.

Job Search / Re: Big Law GPA Cutoff
« on: January 26, 2013, 01:18:42 PM »
Well I don't know if many big law firms are to active for 1L's and you have a whole other semester to go up or down. In regards to the specific question you should look at NALP to look for the firms your interested in and what they require there is the link you may already know about it, but it lists salaries, class rank requirements etc.

With that said welcome to law school I am sure on the first day everybody was convinced they were going to be Valedictorian or at the very least in the top 10% of the class. However, 100% of people can't be in the top 10% and not everyone gets a job in Big Law. It is good to know what you want, but very few people actually end up in Big Law and I know plenty that did who were absolutely miserable at Cravath, O'Melveny, and other big firms. Plenty of people love working at those firms as well, but if your goal is to just get rich then law is not the best way to go about it.

I guess what I am trying to figure out is what about Big Law is so appealing. What firm are you interest in? Why are you interested in it? If you have solid reasons for wanting to work at X firm and are attending Duke Law you have a decent chance of doing it, but if you are solely seeking Big Law for money then you might be disappointed.

Going to up on this one as well as everyone suggested your odds of getting into a Top 20 school with a 3.25 & 161 are quite low. However, believe it or not 90% of successful practicing lawyers did not go to the top 10% of law schools. I think OL's and those in law school think rankings mean far to much.

When your start practicing law you will need to file a complaint, argue in front of a judge, and get a result period end of story. If you don't get a result your client is not pleased and won't care that you went to Harvard. It is serious stuff when your out in the real world and saying I went to the X ranked school means very little. It would be cool to go to Harvard law of course, but only about 1% of the people in the world are even capable of graduating college with a 3.8 and scoring in the top 5% of LSAT takers.

So to OP just use your common sense when applying to law school think of where you want to live for three years and start your career. If you want to work in L.A. go to law school in L.A. don't go to Michigan State because it is "ranked higher" than Chapman. Also don't spend 100,000 more dollars to go to the 84th best school opposed to the 114th nobody cares. Furthermore, legal education is the same everywhere you will take Torts, Civil Procedure, Con Law, Crim Pro, and learn IRAC. What some for profit magazine thinks is better or worse really doesn't make a big difference in your ability as a lawyer.

Good luck to you.

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