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Visits, Admit Days, and Open Houses / Re: New Law School Rankings
« on: November 04, 2013, 05:33:06 PM »
Good to hear and again I don't think anyone was under the impression Stanford was a bad school. I could have never looked at U.S. News or this new ranking system and had a pretty good idea that Stanford was a good school without all the fancy formulas, but to each their own.

Pursuing an LLM / Re: LLM in tax without a JD
« on: November 04, 2013, 07:40:23 AM »
Interesting do you know what schools allow the tax law LLM without a J.D. Also would a tax law LLM allow you to practice in Tax Court? Just curious about that as I have accountant friends interested in a Tax Law LLM

Visits, Admit Days, and Open Houses / Re: New Law School Rankings
« on: November 03, 2013, 12:43:44 PM »
The metrics used by this organization are better than U.S. News, but again I don't know if anyone needed to design a formula to let people know Stanford was a good school.

Also for any potential 0L remember these rankigns etc don't guarantee you anything even if you attend Stanford you still have to pass the California Bar etc and if you attend Cooley you can still get a job, but obviously the Stanford grad will have an advantage.

Again, people will always want to rank, but remember these are just opinions and any ABA school can provide you a solid legal education and get you a license to practice law. However, Stanford or any Ivy League school will open more doors than Cooley and I imagine that is not breaking news to anyone.

Law School Admissions / Re: Biology Major Law Student
« on: November 01, 2013, 10:23:50 AM »
If you really enjoy biology you should stick with it. You can use the biology degree in the practice of law and a science degree will make you stick out when applying for legal jobs although it will not make much of a difference in law school acceptance.

Also if this is only your sophomore year of college there is a real possibility your goals or priories will change and law school will be put on the back burner and you will have a degree in humanities instead of biology, which is what you really enjoy.

A 3.57 is also a pretty good GPA so it sounds like your doing fine and in reality whether you get into law school will depend heavily on your LSAT even if you have a 4.0 if you get a 140 on the LSAT you may not be able to get in anywhere. There is no predicting how you will handle the LSAT and again if you pursue a degree in humanities and end up with a poor LSAT score and cannot get admitted then you have given up a degree in something you enjoy.

If you want to boost your GPA take a few freebie classes like Frisbee Golf, Weightlifting, Art History, etc

Hope that information is helpful, but realize I or anyone else posting on these boards is nothing more than an anonymous internet poster so take it all with a grain of salt.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Barry or Coastal?
« on: October 16, 2013, 10:46:03 PM »
That is the beauty of trial competitions and just like real trial nobody cares about what school you went in the heat of litigation. Congrats to the Barry students that won the competition.

Transferring / Re: Transferring After 1st Semester 2L Year
« on: October 16, 2013, 10:44:08 PM »
Citylaw offers great advice do not transfer based on your school dropping a few points in the rankings.

When choosing a law school the most important factors are as follows (1) Location (2) Cost (3) Personal Feelings about the school (4) Understanding the Realities of Legal Education and (5) Last and Least U.S. News Rankings.

Location is far away and the most important thing when choosing a law school. I don't know where your law school is in, but if your in Chicago when you graduate you will most likely take the Illinois bar and get a job in Chicago or nearby Chicago regardless of whether you attended Depaul, John Marshall, or even Northwestern.

Cost be wary of Costs your law school's ranking will change during the next two years, but the total amount of money you owe upon graduation will not flucuate and it will accrue interest be careful.

Personal feelings about the school. As you stated you are content at your school, but if you leave you will lose your connections and have to adjust to a new school you may not like.

As Citylaw states legal education is the same whether you attend the 82nd or 94th best school at the end you will use BarBri or Kaplan.

U.S. News is a magazine nothing more it has some credibility, but you should not make a life altering decisoin based on it.

Studying for the LSAT / Re: Time to allot for studying
« on: October 12, 2013, 11:33:42 PM »
Keep going hopefully you get a 170 hell a 180, but don't be surprised if you don't score in the top 1% of LSAT takers. Do everything you can study your ass off and show up for the test the LSAT and each law school final and the bar are extreme stressful tests and until you go through the actual real exam you cannot know what it is like.

Another poster on this site recently took the October test and accurately said the real test was different than practice and it is. There are distractions, pressure, etc and I hope everything goes well, but you never know and again don't be disappointed if you do not get a 170-180 if you actually show up and take the test you will likely get a solid enough score to get into an ABA school. From that point you can move forward and get a license to practice law.

Good luck.

Law School Admissions / Re: 2.3 GPA, strong work history, 160 LSAT
« on: October 12, 2013, 11:28:59 PM »
Paralegal programs can be a good idea before making the law school jump. I got a paralegal certificate and worked as a paralegal for one year prior to attending law school and I feel like it gave me comfort and I was also certain I wanted to be a lawyer.  The paralegal path might be a good idea, but it will not likely help you get into a T14 school.

Getting into a T14 school is extremely difficult and doesn't happen for the majority of people. With a 2.3 GPA the doors are probably closed and a 160 LSAT will be insufficient as well. You can get into an ABA law school and have a successful legal career, but the T14 is probably out. However, believe it or not 90% of practicing lawyers did not attend the top 10% of law schools.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Barry or Coastal?
« on: October 12, 2013, 11:23:09 PM »
Statistics can be manipulated to say whatever they want and I am all for lawschooltransparency's mission, but frankly what does "underemployed" mean? here is their and in the ABA data it says 218 of 363 graduates have bar passage required jobs and this is only 9 months after graduation, which is a flaw in the data collection. The reality is no ABA law student from any school can even be employed in a bar passage required job until 7 months after they graduate. The reason for this is you graduate in May then you take the bar in July and results in most states are released in October or November. So if you graduate in May you cannot work as a licensed attorney until 6 months after you graduate then very few people hire during the holiday season and you can't even really look for work until January, which is 9 months.

Additionally, the situation of each person is unique to them I know one person from my school got a job as a D.A., but failed his drug test he is not employed, because he has a drug problem it has nothing to with the school.

Another classmate of mine had a father that was diagnosed with Cancer and had 6 months to live instead of looking for work my classmate stayed with his father until the end. He found a job, but again it shows not everyone is in the same boat.

On top of that half of the class as Hofstra finished in the bottom half and 25% of the students finished in the bottom quarter and if you finish in the bottom quarter of Hofstra is going to be easy? No.

Further analysis 21% of their students did not pass the bar and that means only 79% of students can obtain jobs that require bar passage. Again, passing the bar has a lot more to do with the individual than the school itself it is an insanely difficult test that requires intense focus and preparation for months. Many people are unsuccessful their first go around.

Bottom line is these stats do not really say anything you cannot measure people in this manner. You can measure LSAT scores of incoming students that is objective criteria, but what each person does in their career and their goals are unique to each individual and not every single law school graduate is 25 year old kid who passes the bar on their first try, wants to go straight into the working world, and has no obstacles during the timeframe right after graduation.

Any ABA school Hofstra included will provide you with a solid legal education and provide you with the opportunity to take the bar exam. If you successfully pass the bar and are deemed morally fit to practice you will be given a law license and what you do with that has a lot more to do with you than the name of your law school. 

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Barry or Coastal?
« on: October 12, 2013, 11:07:50 PM »
Attrition rate is something to consider, but an important thing to realize is that attrition does not always mean failing out. Barry for example has a 17.5% attrition rate and 48 students did not come back for 2L. However, only 20 of the 48 did not come back due to academic reasons

Of the remaining 28 students 21 transferred likely to better schools no it is not bad attrition it is good for those 21 students. The other 7 students likely decided the law was not for them or went on to some other opportunity.

In reality well under 10% failed out due to academic reasons and the majority of academic attrition comes from part-time studnets who try to balance legal education and a job , which doesn't work out.

I don't think anyone is arguing Barry or Coastal are elite institutions, but you really need to read into these statistics there is a lot more detail in them.

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