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Distance Education Law Schools / Re: Distance Learning
« on: November 05, 2013, 11:08:50 AM »
Each jurisdiction will have their own rules about who can dot for the bar exam and nobody on this. Board or any Other anonymous Internet poster can give you a solid answer. I would contact the bars of jurisdictions you are interested in directly and ask them about their policy on distance education some will likely approve others will not and getting answers directly from the source prior to embarking on a 3 year 100k degree about whether you can actually sit for the bar is a good idea.

Good luck

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Reviews, Visits, and Rankings / Re: New Law School Rankings
« on: November 04, 2013, 08:33:06 PM »
Good to hear and again I don't think anyone was under the impression Stanford was a bad school. I could have never looked at U.S. News or this new ranking system and had a pretty good idea that Stanford was a good school without all the fancy formulas, but to each their own.

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L.L.M. Board / Re: LLM in tax without a JD
« on: November 04, 2013, 10:40:23 AM »
Interesting do you know what schools allow the tax law LLM without a J.D. Also would a tax law LLM allow you to practice in Tax Court? Just curious about that as I have accountant friends interested in a Tax Law LLM

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Reviews, Visits, and Rankings / Re: New Law School Rankings
« on: November 03, 2013, 03:43:44 PM »
The metrics used by this organization are better than U.S. News, but again I don't know if anyone needed to design a formula to let people know Stanford was a good school.

Also for any potential 0L remember these rankigns etc don't guarantee you anything even if you attend Stanford you still have to pass the California Bar etc and if you attend Cooley you can still get a job, but obviously the Stanford grad will have an advantage.

Again, people will always want to rank, but remember these are just opinions and any ABA school can provide you a solid legal education and get you a license to practice law. However, Stanford or any Ivy League school will open more doors than Cooley and I imagine that is not breaking news to anyone.


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Law School Applications / Re: Biology Major Law Student
« on: November 01, 2013, 01:23:50 PM »
If you really enjoy biology you should stick with it. You can use the biology degree in the practice of law and a science degree will make you stick out when applying for legal jobs although it will not make much of a difference in law school acceptance.

Also if this is only your sophomore year of college there is a real possibility your goals or priories will change and law school will be put on the back burner and you will have a degree in humanities instead of biology, which is what you really enjoy.

A 3.57 is also a pretty good GPA so it sounds like your doing fine and in reality whether you get into law school will depend heavily on your LSAT even if you have a 4.0 if you get a 140 on the LSAT you may not be able to get in anywhere. There is no predicting how you will handle the LSAT and again if you pursue a degree in humanities and end up with a poor LSAT score and cannot get admitted then you have given up a degree in something you enjoy.

If you want to boost your GPA take a few freebie classes like Frisbee Golf, Weightlifting, Art History, etc

Hope that information is helpful, but realize I or anyone else posting on these boards is nothing more than an anonymous internet poster so take it all with a grain of salt.

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Hofstra U School of Law / Re: Hofstra falls 113th in US News
« on: October 29, 2013, 11:48:37 AM »
Technically you are right 15% is from judges and 25% is peer assessment, but that results in 40% of the people filling out these scantrons from 1-5 and the peer assessment is comprised of law professors who are lawyers and may have been or currently act judges so in reality it is 40% and again it is just based on these lawyers and judges or if you want to make it sound like more work was put into it lawyers/judges and legal academics filling out forms rating schools between 1-5 and I guarantee you not one of the judges has been to all 200 ABA schools in their lifetime yet alone in any given year.

You may also be right that it was not 2011 when the switch occurred.  I know in 2006 when I was applying they did not count past 100.  I think the change might have happened in 2009,  but again once I was out of the law school bubble I paid very little attention to the rankings. I would be interested to find out when the change happened though.

Again, if you want to take U.S. News seriously by all means go for it, but if you are thinking about applying or currently in law school go talk to real attorneys and see how they feel about them. You might be in a market that really cares you might not, but I would encourage you and any other aspiring or current law student out there not make life altering decisions based on a magazine, but it is a free country and I am just an anonymous internet poster so do what you think is best.

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Hofstra U School of Law / Re: Paul Campos on Hofstra Law
« on: October 29, 2013, 12:24:08 AM »
I used to live in New York before law school, but I applied and was accepted to Hofstra. I visited the school and it was fine, but not for me. Plenty of students and lawyers greatly enjoyed their experience at Hofstra and the reality is any ABA school is fine they all need to meet the same critera that is the point of ABA accreditation.

A 3 point drop is really not that significant and as I mentioned in another post LSAT/GPA make up only 22% of a schools rankings and a number of schools with lower LSAT/GPA are ranked higher particularly on the East Coast. U.S. News is a magazine headquartered in the East Coast and  therefore schools on the East always rank higher. Stanford will never rank higher than Harvard or Yale and again that is why it is a magazine nothing more.

Also as an FYI a 3 point drop is not that significant obviously they would rather the number rise, but the school Paul Campos works at Univeristy of Colorado dipped as well so it is not that uncommon.

Class of 2012 Colorado
Median LSAT 164
Median GPA 3.64
http://www.lsac.org/docs/default-source/official-guide-2013/aba4841.pdf

Class of 2013 Colorado
Median LSAT 162
Median GPA 3.58
http://www.colorado.edu/law/admissions/entering-class-data

Paul Campos your school's median LSAT dropped 2 points and the median LSAT dropped .06.  Instead of criticizing other people he should take a look in the mirror and this just goes to show median LSAT's/GPA's drop I am sure I could these drops at a number of schools considering all I had to do was look at one school to find a drop from 2012 to 2013.

Do not get to obsessed with these numbers they are meaningless in the real world and to any 0L's or current law students please use common sense when making law school decisions and do not make life altering decisions based on magazine's or minor drops in LSAT/GPA stats there are so many more important factors to consider when choosing a law school such as location, cost and how you personally feel about the school I cannot emphasize that enough.




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Hofstra U School of Law / Re: Hofstra falls 113th in US News
« on: October 28, 2013, 11:29:02 PM »
I definitely do not claim to have U.S. News Ranking system figured out it nobody does it is the opinion of a magazine, which they are entitled to have. Hofstra could rise into the 70's or fall into the unranked assuming they have an unranked classification next year. They used to not count past 100 until 2011 and Hofstra couldn't have been 113th until last year, because U.S. News decided to change their system and why not it is their magazine they have the right to do whatver they want. 

Again, I have no absolutely no idea what a for-profit magazine's opinion of Hofstra will be next year nobody does. My point all along is you should not care what U.S. News Ranks Hofstra it is a magazine.

To reiterate my point here is a list of the top 250 IMDB movies. http://www.imdb.com/chart/top it is a list IMDB is more than entitled to offer an opinion, but I personally like Saving Private Ryan Ranked 37th a lot more than Inception ranked 16th. There is no right or wrong just my opinion and if I am going to choose to choose between watching those two movies the Private Ryan DVD is going in, but plenty of people like inception more. IMDB like U.S. News is offering an opinion you are entitled to take it or leave it, but I would not encourage anyone to let a magazine's opinion be the basis of 3 year, $100,000+, career and life altering decision, but that is just me.

Again, I have no idea what Hofstra will be ranked next year nor do I care. Hofstra is a decent school in the New York Market nothing more nothing less it will never have the same prestige as Columbia, NYU, Harvard or Yale and U.S. News didn't need to rank the schools to let me know those institutions open more doors I imagine you didn't either.

Think what you want about Hofstra and treat U.S. News as gospel you have the right to take it as seriously as you want my point is that it is only a magazine nothing more



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Hofstra U School of Law / Re: Hofstra falls 113th in US News
« on: October 28, 2013, 01:36:17 AM »
First GPA/LSAT make up only 22.5% of a school's ranking here is the U.S. News Methodology chart to prove it. http://www.usnews.com/education/best-graduate-schools/top-law-schools/articles/2013/03/11/methodology-best-law-schools-rankings  . So whether their GPA/LSAT falls or rises does not impact the rankings as much as you think. The real basis of the rankings is peer assessment, which is people filling out scantrons and that changes drastically year to year.

To prove that point look at the rankings chart you can see a number of schools with lower GPA/LSATs ranked higher. http://www.top-law-schools.com/rankings.html Hofstra is actually ranked higher than UOP, Chapman, Maine even though it has a lower GPA/LSAT and you can see countless examples of that in the chart.



However, assume GPA/LSAT really did matter every school's admitting class went down substantially, because law school applications have gone down across the nation. The class of 2009 had record high applicants and therefore numbers due to the recession, but it everything is coming back to normal now.

Hofstra may rise or fall in the rankings, but again none of it really matters in the grand scheme of things. Hofstra is an ABA school and it will provide student's with a bar exam ticket, which is all Hofstra is required to do. As for perception Hofstra is mediocre school always has been and always will be. You can look at these numbers and magazines all you want, but they mean very little in the real world.

If you are an aspiring 0L I strongly encourage you to not take these numbers or magazines to heart they mislead many smart people into making life altering decisions that are not in their best interest.


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Golden Gate / Re: In Vino Veritas Competition
« on: October 27, 2013, 04:28:05 PM »
Great post City.

You wonder what people like Belva or Macon could have accomplished having only to deal with the problems reported by the whiny recent grads who have to apply for jobs and deal with rejection occassionally. 

As further evidence of it being the person not the school I recently had two interns and working under me one from Santa Clara one from Hastings. Both are waiting for bar results, which is understandably a difficult time particularly in California for the reason you described above.

I tried to help them out and give them job leads, but the Hastings person never follows through the Santa Clara one has and got one of the jobs I referred him to, but he had to apply the Hastings person just never follows up and believe it or not if you don't apply for a job it doesn't matter school you went to.

The world is tough and the legal world is even tougher don't get into it if your going to complain about how unfair things are.

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