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Current Law Students / Re: Lying on Your Resume
« on: September 16, 2006, 04:14:54 PM »
Simply not worth it.  The legal community is small and you just don't know who will know who or what.  You beef up your resume with a volunteer job at "Legal Rights for Puppies and Kittens Inc" and soem profound animal lover will pull your resume out of the pile because of it.  Then, there you are at an interview with nothing reasonable to say about it.  Just weigh the risks- are you really the first law student to have some gaps?  Make up for it by doing some interesting things now.  I don't think these made up "gap-fllers" are likely to be that helpful.  But if you get caught you could be done in that city, region or further.  Lawyers talk.  Especially about people stupid enough to lie.  And networking is hands down the best way to get a job.  No one will vouch for you if you get caught. 

Further- there are big moral implications here.  Fall to this little temptation and then it won't seem so bad to fudge your billables.  Then it won't be so bad to misappropriate client funds.... Do this on your merits.  If you're not proud of how you've spent your time, then start now building a better resume.

Logically it seems to work best conceptually as a defense.  The battery is a discrete act and we consider the intent of the actor to cause harmful or offensive contact.  But we break it down so that the intent is the intent to make contact- not the intent to cause harm.  We look at the harm or offense seperately and on an objective standard.  Therefore it doesn't matter in the battery analysis whether or not the actor knew he had consent to make that contact.
Then once a battery is shown consent comes into play as a defense. 
That was my understanding.

Go with what your prof teaches you for the exam.

Current Law Students / Re: Tell me great gunner stories
« on: September 13, 2006, 04:02:10 AM »
And the old guys who still think they are young guys.

Current Law Students / Re: A question about female law students
« on: September 12, 2006, 06:11:59 PM »
Yes, well, I was laughing when I wrote the part about loudmouth females- but in re-reading it I can see how that comment might have set the tone as one of agitation instead of amusement.

The other thought I had is that sometimes the more vociferous may make a larger impression on our classmates, as we are the ones who are doing the talking.  There may be many well-heeled conservative ladies in your class who simply choose to be less assertive in airing their politics.

But again, I think that due to the nature of class discussions, you may be only hearing soundbits which may not represent fully the political position of all these lovely ladies.   ;)

Current Law Students / Re: A question about female law students
« on: September 11, 2006, 05:24:02 AM »
See now, beep621- I understood the tone of your post and was trying to respond in kind.  Your question was why are all the women flaming liberals.  My answer was that perhaps you were assigning values more leftists than are really there.  That seems like a pretty general answer to a general question that meets your criteria of not delving into the merits of which position is better.

Current Law Students / Re: Outlining
« on: September 09, 2006, 04:51:17 PM »
I'm going to add a corallary as to the notes I did take.  I paid attention to what subjects the profs stressed.  The risk of a commercial outline is that you might study things that you don't need to study.  (Whereas, in theory, if you made your own outline, you would only cover those things that the prof covered).  The practice exams that the prof puts out are another excellent source of what the testing focus will be.

I'm also not suggesting that you don't work hard- I'm just suggesting that some people might benefit from cutting out the extraction step and moving straight to the application.   

Current Law Students / Re: Outlining
« on: September 09, 2006, 04:39:44 PM »
Exactly- outlining is for extracting information,  You learn the rules by practing their application.  Which means you can skip the outlining step if you can get your hand on a good set of the rules.  Personally, I'm not very good at organizing outlines.  It was just a time killer for me.  I used the time saved to spend more time running hypos and working practice tests.  I also never formally briefed- I just took a few notes in the margins of the cases as I read them. 

I never took more than one or two sentences of notes in class, if that.  And even though you say you haven't heard of many people who were successful with that strategy- I graded onto law review and graduated in the top 15% of my class.  So, I'm not giving you idle advice, but I am telling you what worked for me.  I watched a lot of students spend hours outlining.  But it's not an actively engaged process for many of them- it was just a way to feel like they were doing something.  Or they procrastinated and then tried desperately to catch up because they felt they HAD to outline.  And they never got around to practice tests and hypos.  Ultimately, I'm saying outline if you have the time and it helps you.  But do not forget that outlining is only step one in the exam preperation process.  If you never graduate to applying the rules you memorize you will have a hard time on your exams.

Current Law Students / Re: A question about female law students
« on: September 09, 2006, 04:26:20 PM »
Stupid, loudmouth female liberals!  Let's get back on track and stop letting them into school.

I studied with a conservative Republican who spent all three years of law school calling me a liberal hippy.  In truth, I'm moderately liberal on civil rights issues, but I strongly belive that social programs need to be tempered with common sense and an expectation of personal responsibility.  I don't mind that we went to war, I just wish we were doing a better job.  And fiscally- I'm a Goldwater Republican.  I recite all this to make the point that a lot of the men I know just aren't listening.  I feel vaguely compassaionate about one little thing or suggest that (gasp) I might be pro-choice, and I have to put up with a bunch of *&^% about how I'm a crazy leftist.

So, invite some of these crazy liberal women out for a beer.  Maybe they are more complicated and thoughtful than you think.

Current Law Students / Re: Am I nuts to forgo a second year internship?
« on: September 09, 2006, 04:18:01 PM »
It is not the end of the job search world not to work as a summer associate at a law firm.  If you are positioned well enough in your class that you would be competitive to get one of these jobs, than yes, you have to weigh your options.  But you could study in Germany through July and volunteer with a judge the rest of your summer and be ready to start your job search in the fall. 

It sounds like you would really enjoy this experience and that it's something that you want to pursue during your career. The only better way to go would be a summer associateship at a big international firm with an office in Germany in the hopes that you can get hired an somehow assigned out of the country.  Which is a lot of ifs. 

I studied in Italy after 1L and interned with a federal judge the rest of the summer.  Summer of 2L I had a summer associateship - but I did notget hired.  So I was job searching during my third year.  I ended up with an incredible job that I really love.  But I will warn you that there is some considerable stress involved in job searching 3L and you will be giving up your oppurtunity to walk into next fall with a job already lined up.

Current Law Students / Re: Outlining
« on: September 04, 2006, 05:43:24 PM »
Never would be my advice, but I guess that's not what you are looking for.

I didn't find compiling large, full-course outlines to be helpful.  I used to hand write a few pages of only the most necessary rules a few weeks before exams.  I would outline practice tests and whatever rules I needed to do those would go on my short list.  For me, actually writing them helped for memorization purposes. 

My advice - focus on applying the rules.  You'll learn them that way.  Outlining does nothing but compile the rules.  And why would you waste your time doing that when so many authors of commercial outlines or overzealous upper classmen have already done so? 

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