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Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Can You Have A Life in Law School?
« on: November 24, 2008, 03:38:39 PM »
You not only can, but you must.

If you don't, you will drown.  Find outlets for your stress.  Make sure you take care of yourself.  It honestly doesn't require 12-14 hour days.  If you're effective with your time, you could easily get by with 4-5 hours a day in addition to your two classes and still do a ton of work (I'm talking about what's required and then a lot extra).  And you only need to work one day over the weekend, max.

I cannot agree more with this post. I think there is a point where you are doing more harm than good by killing yourself studying. If you are an exercise person, make time to exercise every day. It will help clear your mind. Be efficient with your study time, and with your play time. Don't mix the two.

Of course this varies based on the person. I'm not a big studier until about 3 weeks or so before the exam. I keep my head above water, and don't fall behind, but I don't think I really step it up until a few weeks before. I know if I do that, I will peak right around exam time. It might take a semester to dial this in (which sucks, I know) but once you find your sweet spot, stick with it. Don't kill yourself.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Emory 1L Taking Questions
« on: November 24, 2008, 03:32:14 PM »
I wish I had a link, but there was a professor a year or two ago that did a study on the US News rankings and discovered that at the high end of LSAT scores (90th percentile and better), and increase of a point or two in median does very little to improve a schools rankings. The reason for this is US News uses percentiles as opposed to LSAT raw score, and the difference in percentiles at the high end are very slight (164 is 91ist ish 165 is 92nd ish I think). They also do some regression which waters down the impact as well. In fact, the author argued that if a school wanted to game the rankings, they would be better served by admitting more high GPA students than high LSAT students.

A previous poster mentioned that the smaller class may have something to do with higher numbers and that is a rankings play as well. I think there is some validity to that as well.

Another spin: the US News Rankings are a somewhat self fulfilling prophecy. When I applied, Emory was either just at 25 , or maybe 27 or so. In April of that year (2007), Emory went up to 22. Last year we were 22 as well. I think this slight jump might have increased the quality of the applicant pool, which in turn presumably raises the scores. Also, class of 2010 (my class) was the first where they started handing out very nice scholarships. Class of 2011 scholarships are ridiculous. I think this might also increase quality of applicants (which of course is the goal).

Honestly, I think the difference in "quality of student" doesn't vary at all from someone who got a 164 vs. 165 vs. 169. But schools have to draw the line somewhere I suppose, and for Emory I guess that line is moving a little higher on the LSAT scale.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Emory 1L Taking Questions
« on: November 07, 2008, 06:09:17 AM »
The facilities get the job done, but it is a horribly ugly building all around. The interior isn't much better.

I'm backing up Capt on this one. It is isn't too bad actually, until you go over to the med school, or the biz school, or the school of public health. Our building was built in the 60s and it shows. That being said, I've been to worse law school buildings and it does get the job done.

Someone on here was going to visit the first week in Dec? I'm not sure if that is prudent. That is the weekend right before exams start.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Emory 1L Taking Questions
« on: November 06, 2008, 06:17:06 AM »
I didn't have Mayton, but I my friends in his class told me he was pretty sick, which is why he might have wanted to be somewhere else.

This is more for the 1Ls on here, or any OLs that end up at Emory: While I wouldn't completely throw away comments in those SBA evaluations, I would also take a look at the grade people received in that class. A lot of times, those who made an A think the class was incredible, while those who made a B had the professor. Something to think about ...

EDIT: Sorry guys, didn't notice that the Spring 08 sheets do not have grades. For some of the other years they are there and you should take a look.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Emory 1L Taking Questions
« on: October 19, 2008, 07:19:25 AM »
I'm not asking this question to be a male private part or anything, but how are things working out with career services? That made me very nervous last year.

I think that is a reasonable question. From my personal experience/perspective, I am happy with the service I received from the office. I think, like many places, it depends on your counselor. Fortunately for me, I did not need to go outside of the the many OCI opportunities presented to all students. We have two "regular" OCIs where firms come to campus. One in August that is mostly big firms. One in September that is mostly mid sized or large in small market firms. We also have two, Emory only job fairs that are in NYC and DC. I think between those four events, about 100 firms were on the table. There is also an OCI in the spring, but I think that is targeted more toward 1Ls. Long story short: they get a lot of firms to interview us.

If you don't go the OCI route, the experience may be different. I cannot (and probably Captain cannot) comment on that because I didn't need to go that way. Last year (for 1L summer), my counselor got me an interview through someone she knew. Didn't get a job out of it, but at least she had a contact she could leverage for me. I do hear a lot of people complaining about other counselors, but I have no idea how well founded it is. I think in this market, if you don't have the grades and journal/moot court experience, it is going to be tough. Career Services just can't magically get you a job. I think students at other law schools will have similar complaints.

I will say this, at least we had ours crazy early, which I think helped out a lot. Some Emory people had offers before many of our "peer" schools did screening interviews.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Emory 1L Taking Questions
« on: October 18, 2008, 11:14:52 PM »
Were you the guy sitting at the Health Law Society table?  I wasn't being rude.  It was witty banter.

Thats a negative. Honestly, I'm just an old curmudgeon that think kids these days have it easy and have a false sense of entitlement. I'm kidding, but only a little. Getting questions like "why should I join your club, what are you going to do for me?" and being serious about it, is a little ridiculous if you ask me. You should be asking what you can do for the club, not what if can do for you!

For all of those 0Ls out there, I'm pleased with Emory, and frankly, looking at my job prospects, I couldn't ask for anything better, so I'm glad I took the money and ran. I really love Atlanta. Certain professors I have had are outstanding. With the money they throw around, coupled with the low cost of living here, I don't think there is a better value out there for students with "Emory type numbers."

Job Search / Re: canceling a callback
« on: October 18, 2008, 11:04:58 PM »
Couldn't tell from your posts, but I think if you don't have any offers, you shouldn't cancel anything.

Yeah, I agree. I assumed you had an offer. If you have nothing, I would go.

I was an engineer in my former life, in the late 20s/early 30s age group (but no wheely bag for me thanks) and while I think I made the right choice now, there were moments where it was difficult. This was especially true at the start of 2d semester. If you are looking for something that is challenging and engaging, this is a pretty good call (at least in my opinion). You will get some traditional, logical, problem solving but you will also have a wild card people element that keeps things interesting.

I had a pretty sweet situation and there are times when I miss it. I did make my life more difficult by going to law school, but that isn't a bad thing really. I like the excitement.

I go to a school that is pretty young and I have an active social life and enjoy being there. You will find your place, even if it is among people that may be younger than you.

I do think that being older and having work experience has helped me do better in the job search. I also think that it puts things into perspective a little more. It isn't the end of your life if you get a B. You might be less tolerant of biglaw sweatshops (that is a good thing). You might be less likely to define your self worth by how much money you make or being Mr. Smarty pants in class or what firm you work for.  I think because I have life experience, I realize there is more to life than "career accomplishments" (at least career accomplishments as many law students define them).

Good luck with your LSAT. Take lots of practice tests, it is a hard standardized test. If you have any questions, please feel free to PM me.

Job Search / Re: canceling a callback
« on: October 18, 2008, 07:00:28 PM »
I think if you don't want to go to the firm, you should cancel. Otherwise, you are wasting everyone's time. While the firm may have to eat the plane ticket, it is worse if you are wasting others time. At my school, our career services people tell us to cancel if we are no longer interested, even if a plane ticket is involved.

However, I guess there might have been something about the firm/city that let you book the trip in the first place. Maybe if you go, you will end up liking it? I think if you do end up going, you should keep an open mind.

Choosing the Right Law School / Re: Emory 1L Taking Questions
« on: October 18, 2008, 04:50:23 PM »
For those of you interested in Woodruff, I can tell you the range of extras from all those who were considered last year because I met them all when they came up for Woodruff weekend. I also know many of them from my class. Most have something that was really unusual. A few had PhDs. One had been in Iraq. More than one was into law and religion, which is a focus here. Many had a very strong interest in public interest and the background backed that up. Almost all had some sort of work/life experience. I do think it is more than numbers, but numbers are important as well. Most of the candidates had opportunities at top 10 schools.

I don't know if would say the 1L class is "LAME" but I do get a more serious vibe from them. I'm heavily involved with one the student orgs and many 1Ls were straight up rude to me because the org wasn't going "to do something from them." However, I know many that are very cool, very down to earth people, and I am very happy they came to Emory because they will go out in the world and help give our school a good name.

I also want to piggy back on what Captain said about Atlanta firms: if you aren't from these parts but want to work in Atlanta, you better say in your interview that you are ONLY looking in Atlanta. They are sensitive about that. Ironically, it seems many of the people I know (myself included) had better luck in NYC than here.

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