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A couple of questions for the Emory folk...

Sounds like you all really enjoy your classmates (for the most part).  How diverse is the student body in terms of age?  Are most students under 25?  How much company would I have as a 30 yr old?

Also - how many students at Emory are married?  How many are parents?

To answer your general question, I tend to think of Emory as a "younger" school, however, being an older student myself (30+), I don't find too much of a problem making friends based solely on my age. I tend to find that I don't have much in common with my fellow students, however, I would have had that same problem 10 years ago. That being said, I don't feel ostracized or out of place. I might feel more at home with my classmates than I would with the population at large, mostly because everyone is smart and at least somewhat interesting.

I will say that I feel sometimes like my age gives me a different perspective on life and school in general. I don't study more than younger students, but I might study more efficiently (in a quiet area, no music, no facebook, etc.) I tend not to get as nervous for interviews. If things don't turn out perfectly, I don't think its the end of the world. There is more to life than law school. Being older will give you a different perspective. However, if you are decent human being to people, they will be decent back. If someone is a jerk because you are older/married/a parent, let them be a jerk and just ignore them.

I think here, as with most law schools, most of the planned social activities revolve around going to bars. Going to bars is generally a single person's activity. If you are married with kids, family tends to take priority over hanging out getting blasted in a smokey room.

GSU is older than here. Part of that is they have a night program which attracts more older/2d career types. Very few people here at Emory are on a 2d career. (they might have work experience, but not career experience, there is a difference).



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General Board / Re: Median at T20 wanting to do patent law
« on: January 28, 2009, 09:44:32 PM »
I was in a very similar position after the end of my first semester. My grades went up a lot 2d, and I had a lot of options (had offers from NYC big firms that do a lot of patent work and a CA boutique which is where I ended up) for 2L summer. I was scrambling a bit for 1L summer, but I ended up in a good public interest position that gave me a lot to talk about in my interviews.

I cannot stress this enough: GO, GO, GO the Loyola Patent Interview program. It is usually the last week in July. You ought to be able to get something out that. I will say that I got very little out of my schools local OCI, but most of those firms weren't very IP focused. There is also a pretty good one for the south east that is a few days before, if you want to work in the south east.


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Just to add to this: I have a Masters in Computer Engineering, and as of right this second I can't sit for the exam. Why? I AP'ed out of Physics, so I didn't have 8 hours of Calc Based Physics in undergrad, and my master's program accepted my AP credit for their program. So, I'm taking Physics now. Good times!

I think this is sort of bizarre, but that is the way it is. Also if you degree isn't EXACTLY one of the ones on their list, it doesn't count for the bachelor's degree option (but you still may be able to get in through the course by course option).

Now, I think saying the Master's is "worthless" is a bit of a stretch. You most likely will get the courses you need while getting the degree (but not in Comp Sci, because I think they need to be "engineering" courses, they have a list of things that would qualify). However, poster above is correct in saying that a Master's degree in a technical field doesn't not qualify you for the exam.

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Unfortunately, because you undergrad major isn't CompSci, you are going to have a harder time sitting for the exam. You will have to get in course by course, most likely under the "engineering" track, which I think requires 42 hours of course work, including 8 hours of Calc based Physics with a lab (note: if you AP'ed out of Calc based Physics, you might be in trouble because you don't have the lab requirement). Some of your CompSci class might qualify, some may not. You really need to check out, and read carefully, the qualifications to sit for the exam on uspto.gov.

EE or CompEng degree is very highly sought after. CompSci I'm not too sure about. I know in interviews I was often asked how much hardware engineering I remembered (I have a CompEng Masters with Software Engineering work experience). Honestly, if you want to go joint, I might think about doing Comp Engineering instead (if available). More of your classes will qualify for the patent exam, plus it will be good for you to get some hardware exposure. I didn't have trouble finding a great job, even in this economy, due to my background (My school and grades are very good, but not excellent. my numbers coming in were 3.87/164).
 

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General Board / Re: 2.0 - Should I drop out?
« on: January 20, 2009, 01:15:37 PM »
I'm just generally freaked out that I have no passion for law school material and I really don't know that I will even like being a lawyer. 

I also came to law school because I wasn't ready for the real world.


I think these two statements say a lot more than your grades. Having bad grades but still liking the law and thinking you will enjoy law practice is one thing. Here, you are basically saying that you are willing to take on a bunch of debt and enter a career you most likely will not like because you aren't ready for the real world.

If you don't like law school, it is going to be hard for you to do significantly better. Improving grades is absolutely something that can be done, but I think you have to enjoy leaning about the law to pull it off.

I know it may seem depressing to quit something you started, but maybe it wouldn't be a bad idea. If you can take a leave of absence, that might be the best thing. You can go out in the "real world" and maybe find something you like better. Or, maybe you will recharge and come back ready and excited to learn the law.

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If you want to do IP work, an ability to sit for the patent exam is pretty critical even if you end up doing litigation your whole life and never actually take the exam. I think if the market were better, it would be a little easier to get a job working in IP without the science background, but right now, every advantage helps. I'm not sure what you mean by "Web Programming." If we are talking large scale enterprise ASP/JSP web development, that is great. If you are talking something like scripting, its better than nothing but not as impressive. I have a software background, and at the boutiques, they wanted to know a lot about the kind of work I did and how complicated it was. If you can't sit for the patent exam, you can pretty much cross any boutique off your list (Fish, Finnegan, Ballard Spahar, Thomas Kayden, Knobbe Martens, et al). If you want more specific comments, PM.

However, I do think your work experience is a huge plus. I had many, many firms comment on how they appreciated some real, meaningful work experience. I think there is something about working in an office that you have to learn by actually doing it, and there are firms that value that "something." Also, apply to TI:GER and do your best to get in. That is a great thing for your resume and firms really like the program.

Also, if you want to work in Atlanta, and you interview in other markets, I would keep it quiet. I know many people who wanted to stay in Atlanta (myself included), and did not have an offer. One of them actually grew up around here and went to undergrad in Atlanta. I don't think this changes with being an IP person.

The only IP people I know that have jobs right now are in the top 1/3 or have PhDs. However, I don't really talk much about jobs so that may have improved after September OCI.

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If you have a professor that stressed making a checklist (as mind did), I would take that to heart. In other words, use as much of the packet as possible. I didn't do this and my grade was crap.

Weren't you in Bederman?

He stressed a checklist?

I only used half of the cases in the packet. My grade was pretty darned good.

Ha, well, it could have also just written a crappy exam. But yeah, there was a day where he talked about making a checklist. But, guess it doesn't matter now. The 1Ls are done, and its off to a fun semester of Con Law.

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Acceptances / Re: Fordham Full Price
« on: December 17, 2008, 12:15:54 AM »

a) you could get money from other schools

b) New York is not the end all and be all of cities. It is unreasonably expensive, so you would incur additional debt from 3 years of living expenses. To enjoy all the fun stuff in New York, you need money. Otherwise, you'll be living like a peasant just so you can say you live in NY.


This is exactly why I ended up choosing Emory with $$$ over Fordham. NYC was just too expensive for me to justify paying more to live there AND have to pay for school. Also, I don't think it hurt my chances in NYC for 2L summer. I had excellent options for my intended practice area. So, I would say Emory is a good choice. If you get into Fordham, you can probably get some money from them and our grads do well in NYC (NYC is our 2d biggest job market behind Atlanta).

As for other options, maybe BU or GW? I'm not sure what there money situation is, but I understand they place well in NY.

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If you have a professor that stressed making a checklist (as mind did), I would take that to heart. In other words, use as much of the packet as possible. I didn't do this and my grade was crap.

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Acceptances / Re: Fordham Full Price
« on: December 06, 2008, 11:38:08 AM »
I'm assuming you want to be in NYC after graduation. I was planning on going to NYC, and was between Full price at Fordham and half tuition at Emory. I chose Emory because of the money and because if I wanted to stay in the southeast, I felt like it was a better call. It was a still a tough decision because I really like NY.

Another poster is correct in that if you can get in at Fordham, you can probably get into a "peer" school with some money.

I don't think 160K median for Fordham is BS. It is likely that most Fordham grads stay in NY and that at least the top half get market jobs. However, if you can go to a school that places well in NY with some money (for example, Emory) then that might be a better choice.

I am a very big believer in keeping debt to an absolute minimum, even if you are planning on making the big fat $160K salary. I would rather not have to pay back a loan and spend money elsewhere if possible.

However, if you have to/need to stay in NYC, and can't get into NYU/Columbia, Fordham is the way to go. I've heard it is much harder to get a big firm job from Brooklyn/Cardozo et al than it is from Fordham. Maybe a Fordham or Brooklyn student can verify?

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