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Concord was wonderful in preparing all of us and I was so close to passing it wasn't funny.  Reason I didn't pass? I didn't start studying soon enough for the test (started the 2nd week in May, put my 2nd classes on hold), I work full time and I knew I might not pass on the first try, yet I thought I passed after I finished the test too, so it was a bit of a disappointment.  My suggestion is KNOW the rule statements for Crim Law, Contracts and Torts so that you may type them in less 2 hours, practice outlining past essays posted on Ca Bar website and, in addition to the MPC you receive from your 1L studies and the Concord First Program, practice as many multiple choice questions as possible.  The pass rate is low but if everyone on the next test scores really high on the mpc then the percentage degree of difficulty comparison will lower my score again - it's a gamble but I'm already into studying and Concord has a Second Time Sucess program to help us. 

nope, I didn't  :-[

I'm taking it again in October and studying harder to address what I know are my unknown's. 

Anyone know if this information will be available online or do I have to wait for snail mail?  When I check my admission status the message is:  The status screens is under maintenance.

Online Law Schools / Re: Concord modules
« on: August 09, 2012, 10:49:48 AM »
READ and brief EVERY case, be prepared with your briefs for online classes and lectures.  Plan on spending at least 20 hours a week studying, briefing cases, taking notes from online lectures and classes and preparing your rule statements.  My advise for you right now is to sit down and figure out a schedule of how you will plan your day, your week and if you work, plan on spending at least 8 hours on your days off studying.  AND STICK TO THAT SCHEDULE.  Before any test, review all your materials.  Join the Concord SBA, start practicing multiple choice questions for the FYLSE immediately through the SBA daily email.  Talk to the SBA officers and members on additional material you may purchase to help you learn the material.  Lastly, if you don't understand something - e-mail your professor for HELP.  Good luck on your DL choice.

Law School Admissions / Re: DO NOT GO TO LAW SCHOOL!!!
« on: July 17, 2012, 04:58:11 PM »
Go to law school and complete your JD degree or get a graduate degree ONLINE.  The money you will save will be put to better use and the degree will be the same 10 years down the road.

More than 40 percent of Concord's graduates have already earned a graduate degree, including nine MBA, five Ph.D., and four MD degree holders. These accomplished professionals included small business owners, college professors, a surgeon and an engineer who was in Afghanistan serving in the Army Reserves for much of his third year of law school (a quote from A. Miller at the 2010 graduation ceremony).

For those of you that think the online is not the way to go, I beg to differ.  I have had attorneys tell me they wish they had the opportunity and the smaller loan bill.  I have had hiring partners tell me they don't care if the school is ABA, don't care about GPA's, if you go to a school, pass the Cal Bar and you have a brain for presenting yourself on paper, you'll land that interview and become an attorney.  I choose not to waste money that I could spend on better things than some school that gives me the same opportunity to sit for the BAR exam.  Lastly, I know for a fact that the brick and mortar NON ABA accredited school in Chico has produced at least two DEPUTY DA's for Butte county.  Those that discriminate about whether a school is ABA or not ABA don't want change and are not prepared for the next step, schools that are online are more efficient and can give the SAME education with out the high education expense costing our country and our citizens. California is doing a fabulous job of turning out some pretty darn good lawyers from nonABA schools and to say that you better go to an ABA if you want to be a Deputy DA is hogwash.. 

The first lecturer for Concord in 1998 was Arthur Miller a well known professor from Harvard Law School!  I love his civil procedure lectures and my degree, my education and my future career as a lawyer may very well be better than most brick and mortar schools because of the lecturers that are at my school.

Lastly,  if you work in a law office ANYWHERE and want to go another route, 2 years of college course work, under instruction of an attorney you can become eligible to sit for the FYLSE and every 6 months submit the required report to the CA bar. After Passing the FYLSE and completing the study requirements a person may sit for the Bar Exam and upon Passing the BAR without EVERY having gone to ANY law school or correspondence program that person can become a lawyer.  Just think, just the cost of time and expense of books!  Sounds like Abe Lincoln, except he did his studies in a log cabin.

Oh and if you think large law firms don't look at our resumes, think again!  They are looking at all and will even offer internships to those they feel are qualified to join their staff.  I work for on of the largest law firms in the NW and they don't descriminate, most law firms don't.  Only a few attorneys say that they wouldn't hire someone from an online program so they can see their name in the paper.

The last article is the best, Heather Brown graduated, passed the bar and is a long beach prosecutor!  ONLINE ROCKS

California allows non-ABA-accredited law school grads to sit for its bar exam. It is the only state that does so today, but that will change in time. Wisconsin and Vermont, have policies allowing lawyers licensed in other states to sit for bar exams, even if those lawyers earned degrees from online schools.  Massachusetts let a Concord grad sit for their bar exam after being challenged.  Barry Currier, a former dean at Concord Law School is a consultant at the ABA right now and has worked for the ABA in the past, PLEASE google him and concord - read what he states about the ABA.  Times are a changing, if you want to pay 50,000 a year at a brick and mortar school, be my guest, it doesn't get you a job at a law firm and you may possibly struggle paying off your student loans.  I'm not saying I wouldn't go to a brick and mortar school, if it was reasonably in my budget and if I was assurred a job that would manage that kind of debt.  I loved going to school and graduated with a degree in Political Science (not online), it cost me about 36,000 and I did it in three years, worked three jobs too, but today at my age, I couldn't see paying 150,000 for a law degree (and the schools that are only 150,000 for that degree teach the same courses as the online courses offered at Concord - same books too, same tests but we learn at our pace, we also learn early to be very organized with time management - most the lawyers I work with have a problem with time management and rush to get things out - LOL, they have a lot more gray hair than I do). My only regret, I missed the FYLSE review with my classmates the weekend before the test in Pasadena due to budget limitations I took the test in Oakland and then my mother (in her 70's joined me to just relax for a few days in gardens in the bay area) but I think all those who took the test from Concord are incredibly intelligent and some of us will pass that hurdle on the first attempt and not have to take it again in October.  In 2012, I think there was over 100 first year students that began studying at Concord, it will probably be less than 70 that will make it to graduation, but most of us that do will not regret it!

"Concord Law School has helped define the future of legal education by making it accessible and affordable for working professionals seeking to attain a professional law degree," said Barry Currier.

I love that people think our law degree is substandard, that attorney's will think we are not good enough - regardless of Concord's PR, graduates are succeeding in all areas of the legal profession and even in business.  I read about another grad last night - he's a VP at a bank in Arizona - his legal degree definitely will help him in his profession.    The people who talk down to online grads have issues all their own and I know attorneys - that don't feel my degree is any different than their degree.  LOL, I hope to be an excellent lawyer, I'm older, wiser and love learning! 

Good luck in achieving your dreams!  I'm achieving mine!

273 graduates have passed the BAR Examination for a bar pass rate of 36% since 2003.  But the question you asked was what are these grads who passed the bar doing?  On LinkedIn comments stated by the alumni this week: a few are in solo practice, one in-house legal counsel, one is a nurse who travels around the country giving health care legal lectures, another is an attorney at CBS Legal, one works with oversees law firm - these were just from the comments this week.  Also, 4 have been admitted to the US Supreme court bar.  Concord offers a EJD degree also and the majority of comments from EJD grads state satisfation with the EJD degree, it's all about preference and differing opinions.  Concord has posted the following alumni news: a graduate is director of governance at Symantec, another works in Long Island and he was awarded one of the top 25 advocates for Latino Empowerment, another is a mediator for a divorce website, another is an associate for Broadfoot & Assoicates with practice focused on family law and criminal law, and lastly, a graduate was appointed as county counsel in Lassen Co.

You also asked if the school has any career guidance, every couple of months there is a live lecture with lawyers regarding different legal areas that Concord wants to bring our attention to, last month it was in the horse breeding industry, a couple months back it was music entertainment and I think another was about Indian law (but I can't remember the specifics and I didn't listen to the lecture.

Always remember reasonable minds can disagree.

WOW, that rocks.  Don't be afraid of the amount going up.  If it does, figure you will be still paying around 25,000 for a law degree.  They have FANTASTIC STATs for the FYLSE too.  Almost makes me want to switch and pay less, but I love Concord's program and if I pass the FYLSE, I'm not sure I'd want to change mid stream.  Yes, I'll pay 50,000 for my law degree - I know I'll either land a great job OR I'll become a sole practicioner and will enjoy the smallness of my own business.  GOOD LUCK!

Online Law Schools / Re: Help me pick an online law school
« on: July 10, 2012, 12:00:52 PM »
I liked learning torts at the same time as criminal law, both have rule statements with similar elements and definitely prepared me for Civil Procedure and Criminal Procedure this year.  My contracts course last year prepared me for real property.  I just wish somehow they could have fit evidence in there too.  My constitutional law class is the most labor intensive, professor very intelligent on top of being very helpful.  But every one has different approaches to learning - and reasonable persons often do not agree.

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