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Law School Admissions / Re: Are waitlists entirely about numbers?
« on: March 21, 2008, 09:24:01 PM »
Sorry if this is a stupid question...I've been placed on waitlists at 2 schools and I don't want to waste my time with sending additional letters, recommendations, etc if it's not going to make a difference. I'm assuming schools use the waitlists to balance their medians, and based on my cycle thus far, it seems that for schools in the 15-25 rankings range it's all about GPA/LSAT and nothing else seems to matter all that much.

When you assume.....

You're probably right - this process is heavily numbers based, and that likely don't change that much when it comes to waitlists. But, considering you're a marginal applicant, I don't see why you wouldn't take any opportunity to improve your application here, even if it is unlikely to make a difference.

Incoming 1Ls / Re: Decided 0Ls: Ok to put Law School on resume?
« on: March 21, 2008, 02:28:37 PM »
Seems tacky to me, since like the above poster suggests, you're trying to capitalize on something you actually haven't done yet. And depending on how you phrase it, you might accidently be implying that you are currently a law student. I think putting in a cover letter (if it is somehow relevant) would be a much better idea.

I think I ended up applying for my loans in July. I can't speak for the quality of your future law school's financial aid department, unless its Michigan, but most schools will provide you with instructions on how to apply and get loans. Just make at this point you fill out our FAFSA and anything else the law schools ask you to.

Because 135k divided over 30 years isn't much when you are making 160k?

It may be a mistake to assume that you'll want to work for a large law firm for 30 years after law school, much less, ten, five or even two. Of course, NYU has an excellent LRAP program if you decide to work for public interest or government instead of a firm (even after you've worked for a firm for a bit after graduation).

I would also consider - as one factor - the value of that year for you. If you're straight out of UG, waiting a year might not be a big deal, but if you're older, then you really need to consider whether you want to delay doing what you want to do for another year.

Law School Admissions / Re: ITT: We Say In Your Face!
« on: March 19, 2008, 03:25:38 PM »
I think this is a question most people have to deal with personally. Other people's perceptions play such a strong role on most of us, that we often do consider our school based on how slight a difference one school's perception may be as opposed to another school.

In essence, we want to be able to say "In your face" to a higher percentage of people than have other people who could say it to us. It's for this reason that I grapple with the decision of SMU versus Fordham (and hopefully I get into Emory or WashU). SMU offers me 75K and Fordham won't offer me anything. But Fordham has a "better" name, and could possibly open more doors.

And I do think part of it has to do with the fact that this profession is just so prestige based that if we don't indulge somewhat in the "prestige whoring," we could be doing ourselves a disservice in our future careers.

That legal employers care about which law school you meant to doesn't really justify making your decisions based on what others (non-lawyers) think. Law school seems to be an awfully expensive way of stroking your ego, if your aim is to say "In your face" to as many as possible. What you actually want, is a good job and a good career - and that might not always accompany the "best" name.

Most schools have a deadline of April 15th right?  And I know some are April 1st... are some as far back as May 1st?

Also if you have an April 15th deadline, when should you send in your payment, like 5 days before at least?  Are they strict with the cutoff rule?  How does this work?  I think for example, the April 15th deadline would be the date they need to HAVE your deposit, not mail-by date, correct?

Your acceptance letters (or scholarship notification) will tell you when the deposit is due, a phone call to the admissions office will tell you whether the deposit has to be merely mailed or in their hand by the deadline (although I'm inclined to think that most schools are lenient enough that being postmarked by the deadline would be ok). Most of the schools I applied to had deadlines of April 30/May 1.

Also remember it isn't going to be the admissions dean that is going to be able to do all the interviews. Inevitably, you're going to have to farm some out to a variety of professors at the school or you'll have alumni do them. For those talking about 'training' for interviewers and finding interviewers that don't have prejudices, you're not going to get that when applicants number into the tens of thousands at some schools. You also have plenty of problems as to when it comes to consistency.

Schools that end up doing interviews (business, medical, Northwestern Law, etc) do so in large part because it is an opportunity to recruit as well. Even these interviews probably aren't evaluating candidates in the same way job interviews do.

Ultimately, at best, law school interviews would manage to weed out some more people with bad attitudes. I don't think they would be able to particularly identify well those who will "be successful in the real world", or whatever we're looking for.

Law School Admissions / Re: No extracurricular activities
« on: March 16, 2008, 07:22:27 PM »
I suppose if you get credit its not technically 'extracurricular', but I don't see why the distinction would be relevant. The plus here out of extracurriculars, or soft factors, or whatever we call it is that you're doing things outside the classroom too - which you have done.

Incoming 1Ls / Re: Pwned by Federal Judge
« on: March 16, 2008, 09:07:55 AM »
This one is pretty good too:

(see especially the final line of the opinion)

I will be a better student in law school because of my job experience.  I am more valuable as a 3.4 student with 4 years of full time employment than I would have been with a 3.7 and one summer internship.

Maybe, but not necessarily. To say so would conflate experience with potential. Do you win with experience? Definitely. Do you win with potential? Maybe not. Give the 3.7 applicant four years and you'll probably have an applicant with a 3.7 AND four years of work experience, just like you.

There's certainly something to be said for the way business schools do things - that is, having full time work experience be pretty much a prerequisite - but (rightly or wrongly), it isn't the way law schools do things.

Remember that GPA plays second fiddle to LSAT. In your hypo, your four years of work experience haven't enabled you to score better on the LSAT (which is the best individual predictor of first year law school performance we have, as imperfect as it is). Why work experience doesn't play a huge role in law school admissions is, I think, more complex than "adcomms are biased because of their own high GPAs."

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