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Law School Admissions / LSN fix for blank profiles(kinda)
« on: August 22, 2006, 09:03:40 AM »
I haven't seen this posted yet, so I apologize if it has. If your profile is blank where it lists all the schools you're applying to, edit your profile and change back to 2005-06 application cycle. You'll get an error message, but if you view your profile again your schools will be listed again. I didn't figure this out until I had created a brand new profile :(

Law School Admissions / Rant about applications here.
« on: August 08, 2006, 01:44:13 PM »
The online applications are basically copies of the paper applications with the ability to type in stuff right there. So instead of the ease that computer applications usually bring, these applications are basically one step above typewriter + paper app.

I attend a University of <insert state here>, <insert location here> and all 35ish characters aren't fitting in the spots given by the schools. My school isn't the flagship campus so I can't leave out the location, nor is it popular enough to just use an abbreviation (such as UCLA). Grr.

The applications that ask for high schools suck too, my HS name has 50 characters :(

Several applications ask for detailed discriptions of job duties, extra curricular activities and expect you to fit it in a very small space. They do not allow you use a resume in lieu of completing that section.

NYU asks for a current address (I'll be in my college dorm for the majority of the application cycle) and does not ask for an end date for that address.

The common data form is a pain in the ass. I put in my parents names and they end up in the wrong places on the application (mother in father's space and vise versa). It ends up abbreviating my major, which seems inappropriate (and fortunately, most applications have the 17 spaces for Political Science).

The application winners appear to be Maryland and Georgetown- neither presented me with any problems. Michigan was a great app until it decided to assume that we all attend colleges with names under 25 letters.

Right now I have two academic LORs lined up. Both professors will have good things to say about me (had the highest class average in a course with each of them) but nothing extraordinary.

Last spring, I was an intern at the Public Defender's office and I've been wondering whether I should ask one of the attorneys that supervised me to write a LOR. I'm applying straight out of undergrad and don't have much in the way of work experience, so I'm seeing such a LOR as potentially a way to improve a weak part of my application.

This letter would be very positive, however, I did basically typical intern stuff during my internship there. This letter wouldn't be able to talk much about my writing abilities, for example. I'm also a bit concerned because the attorney in question probably hasn't written many (if any) law school LORs- it's only a been a few years since she finished law school herself.

Any input on whether I should request a third LOR from this person?

Law School Admissions / Help me figure this out
« on: July 11, 2006, 08:53:45 PM »
I'm currently spending my summer at home, a few states away from where I got to school, and won't be able to ask my reccomenders to write letters until I go back in late August, so I'm trying to figure out how soon they'll need to have the letters done if I want to apply early action in a few places.

To use conservative estimates, it should take two weeks after my letters are sent in for LSAC to process those letters. At that time I'll have a complete LSDAS file. I can then send it on to the schools I apply to, and it will take about two weeks for the schools to get my completed LSDAS file. If I need a completed file by 11/15, my letters should be sent by 10/15- four weeks before. This sound like a reasonable estimate?

Thanks for any advice.

Studying for the LSAT / The Cold Hard Facts of the June 2006 LSAT
« on: July 06, 2006, 03:57:18 PM »
I'd like to leave something more for future test takers- basically a summary of the things we know and the things we don't know about the LSAT and our LSAT experience. There's a lot of speculation and misinformation that goes around, and hopefully this can cut down on that a bit. The knowledgable test takers are less likely to be posting here come September, so that's why I'd like to compile this information now.

If you have something to add, please do so. If you think there is something here that isn't supported by the facts, speak up. I've placed a question mark by information that I'm not 100% sure on, so please confirm/deny that information.

General info

There were 100 questions on the four scored sections of the June 2006 LSAT. No questions were thrown out.

The second section was the experimental section for all test takers.

Each test taker had one of the following test forms(?):
LR(26), EXP, LG, RC, LR(25)
LG, EXP, LR(26), RC, LR(25)
LR(26), EXP, LG, LR(25), RC
LG, EXP, LR(26), LR(25), RC

LR(26) is the 26 question LR section, LR(25) is the 25 question LR section.

There were 22 questions on the LG section and 27 questions on the RC question.

Test takers recieved one of two writing prompts- one in which you were asked to choose between two options for a theater that wanted to put on a play and another one in which you were asked to evaluate an argument that claims to show that the central banker's focus on curbing inflation is misguided.

Score release date

The scores for the June 2006 LSAT were released on Thursday, June 29th starting at approximately 4pm. Not everyone recieved their score at that time, many LSD posters did not report getting their score until 5 or 6PM.

Prior to the release of the scores, the score release date was listed as 6/29 in some areas of the LSAC website and 7/3 on other areas of the LSAC website. About two days(?) before the test, the 6/29 references were replaced with 7/3.

(Pure speculation: LSAC has a real release date and a public release date. The public release date is a few days later in order to avoid complaints if the scores are delayed by a day or two for whatever reason)

The score emails had the subject line of "Your June 2006 LSAT Score" and were from LSAC SCORE,

The text read:
Quote from: LSAC
Please do not reply to this email.  E-mail sent to this address cannot be answered.
Please contact us with your comments, questions, or concerns at
Please provide your LSAC account number in all correspondence.

Dear NAME,

LSAC account number:    L ########

Your June 12, 2006 LSAT score is ###.  The percentile rank is ##.

A copy of your LSAT Score Report will be available in the LSAT section of the MY
DOCS folder in your Online Services account at  Other test related
documents (in accordance with LSAC disclosure policies) may also be available in the

Law School Admission Council

The day prior to the release, a schedule maintaince notice was posted on the LSAC website. The online services were down between 9AM and 12PM EST on Thursday the 29th.

LSD poster chrisls1bird reports reciving his score email approximately five minutes after his score was posted on the LSAC website.

The Scale

The following is an incomplete scale for the June 2006 LSAT. There were no raw scores that produced a 176 or 123.

The first number is the LSAT score, the second number is the lowest possible raw score needed to obtain that LSAT score.

180 - 99
175 - 95
170 - 90
165 - 84
160 - 76
155 - 67
150 - 58
145 - 49
140 - 40
135 - 32
130 - 25
125 - 19
120 - 0

You can compare this with previous scales here:

According to a LSD poll, and assuming no one voted after the test results were posted (last post in thread was June 15), 43.4% guessed the -10 for 170 scale correctly. Poll is here:,65076.0.html


Following the test, many LSD posters helped construct a post-mortem for the test, consisting of agreed upon answers to the questions. While many questions were quite controversial (I think we had some questions where people claimed their different answers were both 99% right), the majority was right on all RC questions and about 49 of 51 LR questions. The LG post mortem does not appear to contain any obvious errors, but it was incomplete.

Test rules

LSD posters reported a wide variation on the enforcement of LSAC rules. Some test centers did not strictly enforce (or enforce at all) rules regarding cell phones, food, drink, reading material in the testing room.

It appears that some (but not all) people were not allowed to use the Deluxe silent timers sold by Powerscore, but no problems were reported with other timers (? - post if you did have a problem).

Studying for the LSAT / The controversial questions thread.
« on: June 29, 2006, 01:50:42 PM »
#14, Section B (first LR section). This was the advanced weapons/dexterity question- the answer was B- advanced weapons.

#20, Section B (first LR section) This was the environmentalist question - the answer was B, appliances containing heavy metals should not be incinerated.

#16, Section D, second LR section- this was the beautiful art question. The answer was A- "The most beautiful artworks are the best artworks"

#19, Section B, first LR section- this was the free market question and the answer was D- "Any salary that a team owner is willing to pay for the services of a professional athlete is a fair salary"

#24, Section D (second LR section)- this was the Molly's garden PR reasoning question- the correct answer was A, "Most gardeners are people with a great deal of patience. Since Molly's classmates are gardeners, at least one of Molly's classmates must be a person with great patience."

#23, section D, second LR section. Answer was D- overlooks the possibility that self-disparagment and being dismissive of others can result from something other than comparing oneself to others.

Fruit, #7, Section B, first LR- answer E- "It is safe to eat any fruit that is uninfected"

#6, section D, second LR- half-horse question, answer was A "fails to show that the mytical creature mentions represents the horse in people's minds"

#10, Section B, first LR- prestige question, answer is E- "the motive for purusing wealth beyond what one's basic needs require is ever anything other than the desire for prestige or high status"

Any other questions that people would like me to look at? Appears that many haven't recieved their scores yet.

Studying for the LSAT / I just got my score (not joking)
« on: June 29, 2006, 01:05:05 PM »
I just recieved an email from LSAC at 3:57. Anyone else get an email yet?

Studying for the LSAT / Rate your test proctors
« on: June 13, 2006, 01:22:20 PM »
Just curious to see what people thought of their proctors, and how the rules were enforced at their testing centers.

I was pleased with my proctors- they got the test started around 12:50 or so (don't remember, I set my watch to 11:25 to use as a timer). The head proctor used a stopwatch, so I feel pretty sure we got a full 35 minutes for each section. They seemed pretty lax on the rules - food, water, reading material, cell phones were all okay in the room as long as they were off and under the table during the test (unfortunately I didn't bring any).

Upon request of some other test takers, they gave ten and five minute warnings, although I would have prefered they not give the ten minute warning. They also seemed lax in getting rid of beeping timers, which I found a bit annoying.

They also let us leave as soon as we completed our writing section, without having to wait the full thirty five minutes.

On the 120-180 scale, I'll give my proctors a 175.

Combined with a good testing center (a hotel conference room, with nice big tables), I think I had a pretty good testing experience, outside of the difficult questions themselves (death to maize).

Studying for the LSAT / Weekend reading material?
« on: June 09, 2006, 12:46:50 PM »
Tomorrow I'm going to head to the library to pick up something to read this weekend- I think I'm at the point where more studying isn't going to help much.

Any suggestions on something to read that isn't super dense but will help keep my mind sharp? Any fellow Monday test-takers have something they plan on reading?

Studying for the LSAT / 4 days, 3 tests, which order?
« on: June 06, 2006, 06:18:50 AM »
I have Preptests 46, 40, and 25 left to take. I also plan on taking a bunch of sections from 21 and 26 in order to improve endurance, probably tomorrow or Thursday.

I'm not sure if I should use my last recent test today, six days out, or wait until later.
The order I'm thinking of now is 46 today, 25 tomorrow, and 40 Friday. Suggestions? Does it matter? Am I thinking about this too much?

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