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Does anyone have any experience with this university? Their tuition rate is unbelievable at approximately $12,000 after everything is all said and done, or approximately $2,800 per year, so I'm curious to see if anyone has any experience with this program? Now keep in mind that I understand it's an online program, which is not accredited by the ABA or Cal Bar, but it is "registered" with Cal Bar as an unaccredited school and does allow you to sit for the Bar Exam in California.

I began doing some light research into a few online schools. I went on the California Bar website to look at the graduation rates for first time takers for July 2011. I then looked at each schools tuition rate and here is what I came up with:

University                     Total Tuition   Bar Pass Rate (7/11)

Concord Law School                               $40K                 28%
Taft Law School                                       $32K                 0%
St. Francis School of Law                        $28K                 No Info
Northwestern California University        $12K                 21%

Now I have only met one guy who was an 2L from Northwestern California University and he said he liked it, but he is the only person Iíve encountered who has attended this university. Does anyone else know anything about this school?

If I had my choice I would attend an ABA school, but being a working adult and a home owner, relocating for school is not an option. In a perfect world, I would like to attend an CalBar school about 2 miles away from my house, graduate, and eventually move to Washington state and get hired as an ADA.

But again, that's in a perfect world . . .

Bummer, sorry to hear that you were not accepted.

D, E, F, G / Empire
« on: June 22, 2012, 12:47:59 AM »
I'm interested to see if anyone here has attended Empire College School of Law? I know many Deputy District Attorney's in my area are alumni and I'd like to hear their opinion regarding this university?

Golden Gate / Re: PT Evening Program at GGU
« on: June 22, 2012, 12:42:48 AM »
I too have been considering GGU, so I'm curious to see what others have to say.

Or she/he could just post their question here where someone could reply without saying something stupid and implying their not welcome.

Just a thought NJ . . .

I got this from another forum, but it seemed appropriate for this discussion:

The traditional ABA system is in serious trouble right now. Law school costs more than ever, yet employment prospects for lawyers are worse than ever. More and more prospective students are weighing law school costs vs. legal the job market, and concluding that law school doesn't make sense any more. Law school applications are falling fast, and many ABA law schools are having serious trouble recruiting qualified students.

To fix this situation, ABA law schools need to do two things: (1) reduce the cost of legal education , and (2) reduce the number of JD graduates.

In theory, distance law schools could be a valid way to address point (1). But the problem is that they won't help with point (2). If you make law school more convenient and less expensive, then how does that reduce the number of graduates?

In theory, the way to address point (2) is by toughening the standards for legal education : make admissions harder (lower acceptance rates) and make completion harder (higher flunk-out rates). The standards will likely get tougher at B&M law schools in the future, and they would be equally tough at any future DL law schools.

So we may ultimately see ABA-approved DL law schools, because of point (1). But here's the catch: an ABA-accredited DL law school will not be an open-admission, no-LSAT-required kind of place, like the existing California distance law schools. On the contrary, admissions may be very competitive, and the programs may be difficult to complete.

If the number of qualified law school applicants continues to shrink, then we can make a pretty good guess as to what will happen. Some ABA-approved law schools will be forced to shrink. And some may have to close entirely.

Law school shrinkage is already happening. Law school closure hasn't happened yet. But if the current situation continues, then it's just a matter of time. And this may increase the interest in alternative law school models, like DL.

I happen to believe that there is a large untapped market out there for ABA-approved legal education by DL. Up to now, the ABA and their member law schools have completely ignored that market. But if their traditional business model collapses, and some law schools are starved for students, with their very survival at stake -- well, maybe then the potential DL market will be a lot harder to ignore.

But this is just speculation on my part. I'm sure that others may see it differently.


That is great feedback, thank you.

Transferring / University of San Francisco v. Golden Gate University
« on: June 20, 2012, 02:08:07 AM »
So I'm weighing the options between two law schools. I'm a working professional looking for a part-time evening program. I am not a scholastic superhero, as I finished my undergraduate with a 3.2 GPA and relocating is out of the question. I have not taken the LSAT yet, but I'd like to in the near future. So I want some feedback regarding University of San Francisco v. Golden Gate University?

Golden Gate / Re: Going to Golden Gate
« on: June 19, 2012, 03:55:12 PM »
That's good feedback, thank you for your input.

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