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Studying for the LSAT / Re: Analog Watch?
« on: May 28, 2010, 02:17:47 AM »
Does anyone know of any good analog watches that will work for the LSAT?  I don't have a watch and would like to purchase one for the LSAT but obviously it has to conform to the standards that are allowable.  Any help/suggestions would be appreciated.

As long as it is analog and does not have any extra digital features it is allowed.  You can get really cheap basic ones at Walmart or Target.

Studying for the LSAT / Re: PT-24-2-18 reconcile question
« on: May 27, 2010, 05:56:51 PM »

To make it easy to see the discrepancy and how (E) resolves it, image that 10 years ago the funding was $1.  A six fold increase would give you $6.  Not much $$$ overall because the figure being multiplied is very small. 

Thank you for the tips,
I am going to take an lsat preptest cold when my amazon order arives and then focus on the bibles.  If i get into my goal range can i take the test then?  Or do you have to complete a bachelors first?  It sure would be sweet to get the test out of the way asap, or have the time to take it multiple times 8)

When you take that first cold/virgin run 'get my baseline' test I suggest you use a fairly recent test form (2005-current) and that you stick to the timed conditions when you take it in order to get a more accurate 'test environment' score of your performance. 

That means:
  -  35 minutes, down to the second!!! per section.  No few extra seconds here and there,  No little 15-60 second 'breather' breaks in between sections.  When one section ends the next one immediately begins, get used to it.
  -  Take the test somewhere you don't usually study or hang out in that has distractions.  A coffee place or whatever, just NOT AT HOME in the comfort of your room/private workspace.  Being in a familiar safe place where you are in control of the environment influences your state of mind and performance.  You will not have that luxury on test day.

You can register for and take the test anytime you want as long as you meet the registration deadlines since you are an UG student.  You don't have to have graduated from UG yet to take it. 

Time is on your side for sure since you are planning far in advance, unlike many students that suddenly get bitten by the law school bug, wake up one morning, suddenly register to take the LSAT not many weeks before the administration that then show up blind and unprepared for the test and, in front of everyone in the room, ask the proctor questions like "How much time do we get per section?"

Hopefully you will not need to take it multiple times.  It's best to be properly prepared and give it your best shot once.  Keep your motivation and optimism up, you're going to need it.  There will be ups and downs along the road and you are about to get the sobering reality alert biotch slap by your first cold run diagnostic score.  Let us know how it goes.

Go take that LSAT now. Its good for 5 years. Some lawschools only require an AA to attend and I took my lsat before that even(and latter retook it and did worse the second time to be honest with you) You can take it right now if you wish. Go for it.

Ignore this guy, he is a troll/flame (not a very good one) trying to stir up trouble. 

If you obtained that section legitimately you should have been provided the answer key.  That test is from the LSAT SuperPrep book, which contains the answer key.  Otherwise, the only way to legitimately get a licensed copy of a section of that test is by being an enrolled student in a prep class that licenses LSAT tests from LSAC since that test is not published in any commercial book one can buy except the LSAC LSAT SuperPrep.

FYI, it's not a good idea to indicate that you are violating copyrights and to solicit others to do the same on LSAT related discussion boards.  LSAC and many others in the LSAT prep world that play by the rules (that means people and organizations that hand over $$$ to LSAC for a license to get and use the copyrighted materials) watch and monitor the boards, and we don't much like cheaters, thieves or intellectual property pirates. 

You can get a copy of the SuperPrep book for around $20, it is a great resource and well worth the $$$.  It contains three LSAT tests (including the one you need the answer key for) and detailed explanations for every question in those tests.  Please keep your ethics intact while you seek admission to LS.

I have 2 years to prepare for the lsat. My current plan is to read through all 3 PowerScore bibles once or twice if i have the time. I will also be filling out lsat prep-tests, starting with the older ones from the book "the next 10 lsat prep-tests". I will fill out the tests slowly at first, and then as he test date approaches i will concentrate more on the prep-tests and take a lot of them at the end. However, i am wondering if the PowerScore bibles are worth the time and money ($150) or if i should be buying a different book instead. I don't have the money for a prep-class ($2,000) but i am sure i have the self discipline to study on my own. So, is this the route to take? Has anyone used the PowerScore bibles as their primary source to study for the lsat? What else should i do, or does this plan sound solid?
John Levine

2 years is a lot of time, and perhaps too much to spread your prep time over.  You could easily burn out and also run out of fresh LSAT materials to use for practice long before your test date.

Depending on how you currently score on a full timed test vs. what your goal score is, you may not need nearly that much time.  If you are serious about starting this far in advance, the first thing you should do is take a full LSAT under timed conditions and see how you score so that you get an idea of how much you need to improve to achieve your desired score to be a competitive applicant at the Law Schools you are interested in attending.  Once you have done that you then evaluate how much time and effort you really need to put in to accomplish your goal.

As for doing the self study routine with prep books, the Powerscore Bibles are certainly the best LSAT prep books available for self study. 

Once you start, going through and working tests slowly as you read through and study the bibles is a good idea.  After you read and absorb each chapter of each book it is important to apply what you learned by working LSAT question types the chapter was about so that you instill the principles and techniques you learned into your mind and get good at applying them.  You want to do this in slow motion as you learn the basics before you move into the phase of doing many timed practice tests. 

Everyone learns and improves at a different rate, so you might be able to get yourself scoring in your goal range in a few months.  If that happens, there is no sense waiting another year or more to get the test out of the way.  If you find yourself only improving slowly, then you have plenty more time to study and work on it. 

Studying for the LSAT / Re: PT-25-4-14
« on: May 23, 2010, 04:39:47 PM »
D is wrong for either...or....?
For b, past generations had preserved for us=books?

(D) is the correct answer choice.  It basically paraphrases the argument in a slightly more general way since it refers to anything, not just books.  The first sentence says we should preserve books.  The second sentence tells us why, to benefit future generations.  Instead of using the phrase 'future generations', (D) uses the word posterity, which means the same thing.

Studying for the LSAT / Re: Add a section to PT's???
« on: May 23, 2010, 03:28:10 PM »
Since the real LSAT contains five sections (the four legitimate and one experimental) but the PrepTests contain only the four scored sections, would it be wise to add a random section from a different PrepTest when practicing to get used to taking five sections in one sitting?  Anybody try this?

Yes, you should do this with your timed practice tests.  When you take your final few timed practice tests leading up to test day you want to simulate test day as closely as possible, and that includes taking a 5 section test. 

I took it for four years in High School, so I have more than a fundamentally basic understanding of Latin. I plan on tutoring some students taking Latin in the college for the summer term. I can't wait to start though as this past semester was very dry and the summer semesters usually are more fun and the fall semesters, but the spring semesters are not too fun.

Study study study the LSAT and you can get yourself up into the 170s (and into a T14).

I started with a strikingly similar score and got a 3.3 in college. I studied and got up into the 170s, and now have $$$ at a T-14.

Now that is some good advice. Makes me even more optimistic about passing the LSATs. Tomorrow I will do a 5 hour study period after I do my daily exercise routine. Sadly, those will be the two high points of my day tomorrow, but I have to get some sleep now.

Ehh, there is nothing sad or to be ashamed about those being the high points of your day.  If spending time working to improve yourself and to move forward in life into a good career is sad and something to be ashamed of, our culture and country is in bad shape, and that would be something for us all the be ashamed of. 

Having a good fairly regimented study and daily life schedule is a good thing.  It's especially important to get into a stable regular routine while preparing for the LSAT in order to maximize your potential on test day.  Plus it can be enjoyable, motivating and keep you feeling good about yourself since you are putting in the work daily (hence no guilt/getting down on yourself for slacking off) and seeing incremental results (hopefully progressive improvement). 

I credit my biggest point gain/jump during prep and my ultimate near perfect score on test day to forcing myself to stick with a very strict daily regimen that covered everything.  For the last several weeks before test day stuck to the exact same daily routine, down to the minute.  Woke up at the same time each morning, ate the same thing for breakfast, took a practice test starting at the time the test would begin on test day, took a break and had lunch (I rotated 3 different lunch choices), scored the test, reviewed it, then focused on studying things about my weak areas, took a break and sometimes headed to the fitness center, had dinner, vegged in front of the TV for a while, and was in bed asleep at the same time every night.   Next day, lather rinse repeat. 

My test day score was 8 points higher than my running average practice test scores from the previous several weeks and higher than I had ever come close to scoring on practice tests.  I was averaging 168-169 in the last two weeks of practice.  Game day = 177

Studying for the LSAT / Re: Believe I am Ready now
« on: May 18, 2010, 11:55:00 PM »

Studying for the LSAT / Re: Need Study Tips...HELP!
« on: May 18, 2010, 09:03:09 PM »
This upcoming September I will be taking the LSAT for the second time. I took a Testmasters class last summer and took the LSAT in December, obtaining a 158. I was not satisfied at all as I was scoring in the upper 160s on most of my diags.

So I am taking it again in September this year. However, I am going to be a University senior and the mix of life, girlfriend, and responsibilities with a student org which I am president of (the largest on campus) is destroying my impetus to study. I feel like I can't push myself to be studying as much as my parents want me to (9 AM - 5 PM every day for the whole summer) and I have no motivation to lock myself up as when I am locked up in a room my mind starts to think about all my worries and such.

I was wondering if anyone has any advice for someone like me. What should I be doing to get into the groove of things? I have all of Testmasters books and a lot of practice exams. HELP before I go madd..

If you don't have the motivation and drive to put in the required work, nobody can give that to you.  If you really want to excel on the LSAT, gain admission to a good Law School and pursue a career in the law, the motivation should be there.
From your post it sounds like you are not really sure if you want to pursue Law School, otherwise, if you are seriously dedicated to that goal, you should be going gangbusters on the study routine to improve your admissions prospects. 

Seriously, you should reflect on this deeply and talk to some academic guidance counselors and perhaps some LS students and students aiming for LS to get more of a feel for what it is all about so you can decide if it is something you would really be happy doing.  If you are having trouble getting yourself to sit down with LSAT books to prep for the test, you are likely going to have big problems in LS if you get there.  The volume of reading and study time for LSAT prep pales in comparison to the amount of dedicated solitary (yes, you by yourself in a room with mountains of books and papers) reading and study time required to do well in Law School. 

If you are not into that type of thing and prefer/are happier doing things that are more social in nature (like your student organization), being out and about with your GF and friends all the time, etc., LS may not be the right thing for you.  Seriously, LS = lots of time alone reading lots of books and writing lots of stuff.

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